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06-14-2015 | 01:42 PM
#8801
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I asked you to post ALL info related to this change. You didn't do that. You posted part of it then told me to go gather the rest on my own. You guys are cherry picking. Please stop.
While you are gathering ALL relevant information I have two other questions I posed to SharpestTool I would like you to answer while waiting for him.
1. Do you now or have you ever worked within the MEC? Your arrogance is resembling that of one of the MEC guys from the ALPA board that got taken down.
2. Talk about the scenarios where the company or their third party medical admin can gain access to all individual pilot medical records under the current contract and under the proposed contract. Show details for both.
While you are gathering ALL relevant information I have two other questions I posed to SharpestTool I would like you to answer while waiting for him.
1. Do you now or have you ever worked within the MEC? Your arrogance is resembling that of one of the MEC guys from the ALPA board that got taken down.
2. Talk about the scenarios where the company or their third party medical admin can gain access to all individual pilot medical records under the current contract and under the proposed contract. Show details for both.
06-14-2015 | 01:42 PM
#8802
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From: 7ER Costar
06-14-2015 | 01:43 PM
#8803
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Folks,
Please STOP engaging the Tool. He is a proven liar who was already banned once by the mods. The proof is here...
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1904957-post8740.html
He quite obviously gets his (paid?) jollies detracting and distracting from otherwise important discussion.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP ENGAGING WITH AND FEEDING THIS MGMT TROLL.
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06-14-2015 | 01:46 PM
#8804
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When did it become the NC's and mec's job to try to sell a contract instead of saying, we endorse it, here are the accurate facts, it's in your hands. Please stop trying to sell me this pos, you all should be ashamed with yourselves.
06-14-2015 | 01:50 PM
#8805
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What's worse is that (I'm hearing) the majority didn't even endorse it. They just couldn't make the call themselves to say no. If true, that makes the sales job REALLY sickening.
06-14-2015 | 01:56 PM
#8806
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06-14-2015 | 01:57 PM
#8807
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Tool:
I have read the new sick leave provisions and I two very specific problems. These are not MYTHS so please stop with the straw man argument and address the following.
1. The old contract (14 G) only gives the company the right for a medical release if they have a good faith basis to question a sick occurrence. The new contract gives them the right to require it anytime they want - either because you have exceeded the 15 day verification threshold and they don't like what your doctor sent in, or you have exceeded the medical release threshold.
2. The self verification option has beed removed.
Once you have to provide a medical release to an AME anything he sees has to go to the FAA. There is a real concern about a loss of privacy here. To sell this as an improvement to privacy as ALPA us currently doing is beyond disingenuous .
I have read the new sick leave provisions and I two very specific problems. These are not MYTHS so please stop with the straw man argument and address the following.
1. The old contract (14 G) only gives the company the right for a medical release if they have a good faith basis to question a sick occurrence. The new contract gives them the right to require it anytime they want - either because you have exceeded the 15 day verification threshold and they don't like what your doctor sent in, or you have exceeded the medical release threshold.
2. The self verification option has beed removed.
Once you have to provide a medical release to an AME anything he sees has to go to the FAA. There is a real concern about a loss of privacy here. To sell this as an improvement to privacy as ALPA us currently doing is beyond disingenuous .
Better re-read what info is limited to for the release and where that info goes. If it isn't apparent then, attend a roadshow and ask the MEC, or call yor rep.
06-14-2015 | 01:59 PM
#8808
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From: Decoupled
Folks,
Please STOP engaging the Tool. He is a proven liar who was already banned once by the mods. The proof is here...
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1904957-post8740.html
He quite obviously gets his (paid?) jollies detracting and distracting from otherwise important discussion.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP ENGAGING WITH AND FEEDING THIS MGMT TROLL.
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4. Select "Add to Ignore List"
This has been a public service announcement.
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Please STOP engaging the Tool. He is a proven liar who was already banned once by the mods. The proof is here...
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1904957-post8740.html
He quite obviously gets his (paid?) jollies detracting and distracting from otherwise important discussion.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP ENGAGING WITH AND FEEDING THIS MGMT TROLL.
.
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The best option is to place SharpestTool on your ignore list, and you will no longer see his posts. Here is the procedure:
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This has been a public service announcement.
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06-14-2015 | 02:02 PM
#8810
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From: Flying the SEC
They say politics makes for strange bedfellows and this TA is doing exactly that. I'd never sign a DPA card because I don't want to be associated with people like TC or Carl or Purple. Heck, both of you are normally on my ignore list! But dangit Carl, you're absolutely right about something and it got me thinking.
Carl: "There are no abusers because if there were they'd be fired and they aren't doing that.". (Surface sucks for quoting on this forum).
Why is that I ask myself. It's because the can't. They might have the goods but they still can't because it is a contractual benefit after all. I flew with a guy who said he called in sick every month just because he could. It was his benefit. He's got a brother or brother in law who's a doctor so verification is no problem. The company hates it I'm sure but all they can do is harass him with a CP but Honey Badger don't care.
So what does the company do? This TA is the answer. Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".
So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that.
I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side?
Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany.
Carl: "There are no abusers because if there were they'd be fired and they aren't doing that.". (Surface sucks for quoting on this forum).
Why is that I ask myself. It's because the can't. They might have the goods but they still can't because it is a contractual benefit after all. I flew with a guy who said he called in sick every month just because he could. It was his benefit. He's got a brother or brother in law who's a doctor so verification is no problem. The company hates it I'm sure but all they can do is harass him with a CP but Honey Badger don't care.
So what does the company do? This TA is the answer. Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".
So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that.
I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side?
Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany.
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