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#8811
I may have missed it but has anyone been able to get their hands around the new required reserve calculus? The examples in the TA vs the current contract are different so there is no way for an apples to apples comparison. I can't see a way to do that without the historical look back data that is used for the calculations. I was not a math major so I may just be dense. Does anyone understand this.
#8812
Sent this to MEC 44 -
I have a question regarding the new reserve requirement calculations. Old formula vs the new one. I think it means fewer reserves on any given day, except Christmas which looks like twice as many as before, but the math is so convoluded and different as to seem impossible to compare. Is there a way we could get a comparison? Say this months ATLMD88B next to what it would have been under the new computations? Also, is this somehow linked to the LCA trip bidding change? Seems like if those 75% of OE trips are withheld, more reserves would be required in case OE was not conducted on those trips. That rational makes me doubt my initial analysis of the reserve requirement computation.
Response -
What the new formula does is allows the formula to look at your seat not all WB or NB seats. It's an improvement and will allow more swapping and less peaks and valleys like we see now. It's a gain.
Opinion - it's a gain because they say so? Don't think the response answers the question or makes a case either way.
I have a question regarding the new reserve requirement calculations. Old formula vs the new one. I think it means fewer reserves on any given day, except Christmas which looks like twice as many as before, but the math is so convoluded and different as to seem impossible to compare. Is there a way we could get a comparison? Say this months ATLMD88B next to what it would have been under the new computations? Also, is this somehow linked to the LCA trip bidding change? Seems like if those 75% of OE trips are withheld, more reserves would be required in case OE was not conducted on those trips. That rational makes me doubt my initial analysis of the reserve requirement computation.
Response -
What the new formula does is allows the formula to look at your seat not all WB or NB seats. It's an improvement and will allow more swapping and less peaks and valleys like we see now. It's a gain.
Opinion - it's a gain because they say so? Don't think the response answers the question or makes a case either way.
#8815
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 2
I'll take that offer
Hello everybody. I apologize for being late to the party. I am however, now here. I must be the newest guy because I just joined, and this is my first post in any forum, in my life. My kids are laughing at me. This TA is too important for any of us to remain on the sidelines. When playing poker it isn't necessary to know the other players at the table. I do however find it helpful on occasion. I have neither the time nor the inclination to go back and read every post Sharpest has ever made. He has said that he'd come to anyone, anyplace, any time. So I take him up on his offer. I live in New Hampshire, MHT is closest. I will be out of the country 22 Jun to 26 Jun, otherwise I am totally free until the 9th of July. Sharpest, honor your commitment and meet me before the 9th. I will promise not to take you to some high priced bar where the lawyers all hang out but rather a blue collar place where we can celebrate our Union affiliation. I'll bring my Delta ID, you bring yours. Deal?
#8816
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Decoupled
Posts: 922
Here is POS96 Section 1.B.11
11.“International Partner Flying” means flying performed by any Foreign Air Carrier (who is not an Affiliate) (i) under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Affiliate and/or (ii) as described in (i) above on aircraft on which the Company or any Affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any Affiliate.
Here's the definition in the TA
The new 1.E.9 proscribes the company from doing what they can do now without MEC Chairman approval.
11.“International Partner Flying” means flying performed by any Foreign Air Carrier (who is not an Affiliate) (i) under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Affiliate and/or (ii) as described in (i) above on aircraft on which the Company or any Affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any Affiliate.
Here's the definition in the TA
42 38. “International partner flying” means flying performed by any foreign air carrier (which is
43 not a Company affiliate):
44 a. under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service
45 marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the
46 Company or any Company affiliate, and/or
1-4Section 1 – Scope
b. on aircraft on which the Company or any Company 1 affiliate has purchased or
2 reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the
3 Company or any Company affiliate.The new 1.E.9 proscribes the company from doing what they can do now without MEC Chairman approval.
1.9. Except as approved by the Delta MEC Chairman, or as otherwise provided by
Section
1 E., a carrier engaged in international partner flying will maintain a separate operating
and corporate identity from the Company including, but not limited to, name, trade name,
logo, livery, trademarks or service marks. The Delta MEC Chairman may, at his option, approve the use by a carrier engaged in international partner flying of a trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate.
This is one of those double sided issues. It depends on how you read it. That mean's it's poorly drawn up because it's purpose is not clear.
From the MEC's point of view, this is stopping the Company from using their market images and trademarks without DALPA approval.
Looking at it another way, it allows the MEC Chairman unfettered authority to cut a deal with management with no oversight.
Who is correct? I don't really know. Perhaps DALPA's intent is sincere to prevent another alter ego carrier.
I wouldn't have a problem with this IF it were subject to MEC review and approval.
#8817
I've never used more than 85 hours of sick time since I've worked here. This new sick policy would change absolutely NOTHING in the way I use sick time. I would never have to verify anything and life changes very little.
Fast forward to C2018.
Instead of calling scheduling to sick out of a trip now we are required to call the DHS office who will have us answer a series of questions and approve a sick call.
Mid trip sick calls will require you to meet with a DHS representative upon returning to base to be checked out.
This sick program has the potential to become very ugly and that is why I don't like it. Those of us who have lived a few years in the regional trenches know what a **** sandwich is when we see it.
#8818
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
They say politics makes for strange bedfellows and this TA is doing exactly that. I'd never sign a DPA card because I don't want to be associated with people like TC or Carl or Purple. Heck, both of you are normally on my ignore list! But dangit Carl, you're absolutely right about something and it got me thinking.
Carl: "There are no abusers because if there were they'd be fired and they aren't doing that.". (Surface sucks for quoting on this forum).
Why is that I ask myself. It's because the can't. They might have the goods but they still can't because it is a contractual benefit after all. I flew with a guy who said he called in sick every month just because he could. It was his benefit. He's got a brother or brother in law who's a doctor so verification is no problem. The company hates it I'm sure but all they can do is harass him with a CP but Honey Badger don't care.
So what does the company do? This TA is the answer. Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".
So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that.
I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side?
Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany.
Carl: "There are no abusers because if there were they'd be fired and they aren't doing that.". (Surface sucks for quoting on this forum).
Why is that I ask myself. It's because the can't. They might have the goods but they still can't because it is a contractual benefit after all. I flew with a guy who said he called in sick every month just because he could. It was his benefit. He's got a brother or brother in law who's a doctor so verification is no problem. The company hates it I'm sure but all they can do is harass him with a CP but Honey Badger don't care.
So what does the company do? This TA is the answer. Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".
So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that.
I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side?
Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany.
My take: The "company" doc will be the best sick leave hardass they can find in the sick leave administration field. An experienced and ruthless ball-buster whose only only function will be to make it as difficult and consequential as possible to call in sick.
Just like hiring Mike Campbell away from his private practice union-busting gig to work directly for Delta.
This POS is uniting us.
Last edited by Purple Drank; 06-14-2015 at 03:05 PM.
#8819
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Decoupled
Posts: 922
I've been looking at the TA contract language. I've got a question about SL and GS that I can't seem to figure out.
If I call in sick for a 4 day trip at the beginning of the month, because I'm sick. I call in well and return to flying. Assume I am above the GS trigger.
Later in the month I submit a GS. I'm offered a GS. Does this reduce how much I am paid for the GS? If it does reduce the pay, how?
Enquiring minds and all that.
If I call in sick for a 4 day trip at the beginning of the month, because I'm sick. I call in well and return to flying. Assume I am above the GS trigger.
Later in the month I submit a GS. I'm offered a GS. Does this reduce how much I am paid for the GS? If it does reduce the pay, how?
Enquiring minds and all that.
#8820
:-)
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Has anyone asked management or ALPA, why can't Delta buy an additional 25 ERJ 175's, in addition to the E190s, and fly them at mainline, they are same damn airplane for God sakes.
Edit: I'd also like to point out that the 200 agreements at DCI expire this year, so Delta doesn't need additional super premium wide body jumbo RJ's to park 50 seaters; Read the Skywest 10Q here: http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...av=1&src=Yahoo
Edit: I'd also like to point out that the 200 agreements at DCI expire this year, so Delta doesn't need additional super premium wide body jumbo RJ's to park 50 seaters; Read the Skywest 10Q here: http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...av=1&src=Yahoo
Last edited by Mesabah; 06-14-2015 at 03:46 PM.
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