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Old 06-21-2015 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
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This is the key to scope circumvention, change the metrics. I am nervously awaiting the grievance settlement language. That is DONE and only requires the MEC chairman's signature. Why is it not released yet? That could amend the new contract before the ink is dry.
The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by qball
The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.
Cool. In the settlement email they said there would be more to follow. Guess the ink was drying on both documents at the same time. Funny I don't remember them ever saying that though.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by qball
The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.
This could be true but then if we vote it down, it is not in the contract.

...leverage. C2012 is changed by MOU/settlement implementation. Surely the chairman wouldn't do that if the TA fails, unless he already has making him invested in the positive TA result. Where's the settlement language?

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Old 06-21-2015 | 09:54 AM
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Agreed. The question is just how much money we're talking about. Pay rates do not tell the whole story, until you consider what is being sold off to product those pay rates. Of the 8% the TA provides on July 1 of this year, I would estimate that roughly half is from selling scope, sick leave, and productivity. The 6% next year is almost totally from the PS swap, leaving us with about a 1% gain from vacation and CQ training pay increases. The 3% in the ensuing two years would be achieved anyway from 3 B. 4. if our fellow employees get as much as 3% in each of the next two years. IF UAL gets even a cost of living raise on time, even the 4% net we get this year will be achieved by C2012.

To be clear, the assumptions I'm using are that Delta's PTIX is at least $6B per year, and that it grants our fellow employees pay raises each year, as they have ever since emerging from BK.*
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Old 06-21-2015 | 10:34 AM
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appears they are deleting facebook comments again
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Old 06-21-2015 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
appears they are deleting facebook comments again
But the FB Pilots Against the TA is up to 2244 members and nothing gets deleted there.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
But the FB Pilots Against the TA is up to 2244 members and nothing gets deleted there.
I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
appears they are deleting facebook comments again
Who doesn't like a little good old fashioned censorship.

They have lost their way.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.
Troubling posts aren't going to get to Donatelli on their own.

Carl
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Old 06-21-2015 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.
That's ok. a few p2p folks and a former communications guy (or NC?) as well. I hope theyre taking notes.
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