Details on Delta TA
06-22-2015 | 05:38 AM
#9851
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
I do not like when our MEC tells us this will make us the highest paid pilots in the world. That is just not true. Here is the latest job announcement I have received...
VOR Holdings has immediate Airbus A330 NTR Captain positions available with Hainan Airlines!
A319/320/321 and A340 Captains accepted. A330 direct entry Captains also accepted.
A330 Captains can choose Beijing, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Brussels, Berlin, Paris, Seattle, Manchester or Rome as their home base airport. Captains will start at their duty cycle from their home base and then their last leg will return them to their home base.
Compensation per month (full amount received by pilot after airline has satisfied taxes in China): $25,000 USD per month ($300,000 USD per year) plus overtime!
Work schedules available ranging from full time residence (30 days annual leave) to 4 weeks ON, 4 weeks OFF commuting schedule. Two exciting new schedules available.
Medical and Loss of License Insurance Provided by Hainan Airlines
While I have no desire to go to work for Hainan, our contract used to be head and shoulders above the world and is now soon to be at par with those from third world airlines.
AC
VOR Holdings has immediate Airbus A330 NTR Captain positions available with Hainan Airlines!
A319/320/321 and A340 Captains accepted. A330 direct entry Captains also accepted.
A330 Captains can choose Beijing, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Brussels, Berlin, Paris, Seattle, Manchester or Rome as their home base airport. Captains will start at their duty cycle from their home base and then their last leg will return them to their home base.
Compensation per month (full amount received by pilot after airline has satisfied taxes in China): $25,000 USD per month ($300,000 USD per year) plus overtime!
Work schedules available ranging from full time residence (30 days annual leave) to 4 weeks ON, 4 weeks OFF commuting schedule. Two exciting new schedules available.
Medical and Loss of License Insurance Provided by Hainan Airlines
While I have no desire to go to work for Hainan, our contract used to be head and shoulders above the world and is now soon to be at par with those from third world airlines.
AC
06-22-2015 | 05:56 AM
#9852
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: 777B
Is there a way to send every delta pilot the con letters from the various LECs and the ta facts link?
I don't think *.*@delta.com is appropriate and is spamming. Plus, I don't use that Email anyway.
Thoughts ?
Is there a database of Dal pilots that is open source?
I don't think *.*@delta.com is appropriate and is spamming. Plus, I don't use that Email anyway.
Thoughts ?
Is there a database of Dal pilots that is open source?
06-22-2015 | 06:14 AM
#9853
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
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I posted this on DALPA MEC Comm site...
We have a strong BATNA (Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement), and we should pursue it. Our BATNA is to maintain our current contract and continue negotiating. Time is on our side. Our current contract has pay increases in section 3.B.4. that prevent the company from giving other employee groups a raise without giving us one. Why do other Delta employee groups reject a union? Apparently, the majority anticipate higher pay without one, and management needs to offer pay raises to non-union employees to continue that expectation. With 3.B.4. management cannot give them pay raises without also giving the pilots the same raise under our current contract.
Our current contract has better scope, sick leave and no LCA trip pull. All of these affect QOL and pay. Richard is using a power-based negotiating strategy, which requires power/authority over the other party with little or no trust or sharing of information. However, he doesn't have sufficient power to pull this off unless we just roll over.
Why all the secrecy? Because sharing information means giving up power. The company doesn't want us to know what their plans are with some of these concessions and that worries me. Wall Street has expectations. RA holds 822,660 shares of DAL stock worth over $33M ( Reasons for Richard Anderson's Shares Sale of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE
AL)'s Stock - Octafinance ). The other executives are also compensated with DAL stock, which I believe is restricted to when they can sell. The folks who decide for the company have their own interests in this fight. I think over time Delta management will realize they have to pay us and get this deal behind them. The longer they wait, the worse Wall Street will react.
We have a strong BATNA (Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement), and we should pursue it. Our BATNA is to maintain our current contract and continue negotiating. Time is on our side. Our current contract has pay increases in section 3.B.4. that prevent the company from giving other employee groups a raise without giving us one. Why do other Delta employee groups reject a union? Apparently, the majority anticipate higher pay without one, and management needs to offer pay raises to non-union employees to continue that expectation. With 3.B.4. management cannot give them pay raises without also giving the pilots the same raise under our current contract.
Our current contract has better scope, sick leave and no LCA trip pull. All of these affect QOL and pay. Richard is using a power-based negotiating strategy, which requires power/authority over the other party with little or no trust or sharing of information. However, he doesn't have sufficient power to pull this off unless we just roll over.
Why all the secrecy? Because sharing information means giving up power. The company doesn't want us to know what their plans are with some of these concessions and that worries me. Wall Street has expectations. RA holds 822,660 shares of DAL stock worth over $33M ( Reasons for Richard Anderson's Shares Sale of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE
AL)'s Stock - Octafinance ). The other executives are also compensated with DAL stock, which I believe is restricted to when they can sell. The folks who decide for the company have their own interests in this fight. I think over time Delta management will realize they have to pay us and get this deal behind them. The longer they wait, the worse Wall Street will react.
06-22-2015 | 07:16 AM
#9855
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,044
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From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
06-22-2015 | 07:30 AM
#9856
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 48
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In reply to Dave Frohman's post on June 20th.
Dave Frohman posted the CVG Captain's letter, and I replied to it in two posts. They're still there, but a lot of folks are posting that their negative comments are being deleted.
Dave Frohman posted the CVG Captain's letter, and I replied to it in two posts. They're still there, but a lot of folks are posting that their negative comments are being deleted.
06-22-2015 | 11:41 AM
#9857
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,418
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06-22-2015 | 11:47 AM
#9858
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 2,960
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From: Power top
I posted this on DALPA MEC Comm site...
We have a strong BATNA (Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement), and we should pursue it. Our BATNA is to maintain our current contract and continue negotiating. Time is on our side. Our current contract has pay increases in section 3.B.4. that prevent the company from giving other employee groups a raise without giving us one. Why do other Delta employee groups reject a union? Apparently, the majority anticipate higher pay without one, and management needs to offer pay raises to non-union employees to continue that expectation. With 3.B.4. management cannot give them pay raises without also giving the pilots the same raise under our current contract.
Our current contract has better scope, sick leave and no LCA trip pull. All of these affect QOL and pay. Richard is using a power-based negotiating strategy, which requires power/authority over the other party with little or no trust or sharing of information. However, he doesn't have sufficient power to pull this off unless we just roll over.
Why all the secrecy? Because sharing information means giving up power. The company doesn't want us to know what their plans are with some of these concessions and that worries me. Wall Street has expectations. RA holds 822,660 shares of DAL stock worth over $33M ( Reasons for Richard Anderson's Shares Sale of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSEAL)'s Stock - Octafinance ). The other executives are also compensated with DAL stock, which I believe is restricted to when they can sell. The folks who decide for the company have their own interests in this fight. I think over time Delta management will realize they have to pay us and get this deal behind them. The longer they wait, the worse Wall Street will react.
We have a strong BATNA (Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement), and we should pursue it. Our BATNA is to maintain our current contract and continue negotiating. Time is on our side. Our current contract has pay increases in section 3.B.4. that prevent the company from giving other employee groups a raise without giving us one. Why do other Delta employee groups reject a union? Apparently, the majority anticipate higher pay without one, and management needs to offer pay raises to non-union employees to continue that expectation. With 3.B.4. management cannot give them pay raises without also giving the pilots the same raise under our current contract.
Our current contract has better scope, sick leave and no LCA trip pull. All of these affect QOL and pay. Richard is using a power-based negotiating strategy, which requires power/authority over the other party with little or no trust or sharing of information. However, he doesn't have sufficient power to pull this off unless we just roll over.
Why all the secrecy? Because sharing information means giving up power. The company doesn't want us to know what their plans are with some of these concessions and that worries me. Wall Street has expectations. RA holds 822,660 shares of DAL stock worth over $33M ( Reasons for Richard Anderson's Shares Sale of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE
AL)'s Stock - Octafinance ). The other executives are also compensated with DAL stock, which I believe is restricted to when they can sell. The folks who decide for the company have their own interests in this fight. I think over time Delta management will realize they have to pay us and get this deal behind them. The longer they wait, the worse Wall Street will react.
06-22-2015 | 11:58 AM
#9859
La Familia Delta
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
sadly they either know it and don't care, or they don't know it and just don't want to rock the boat. I think the need to want to feel like we are the best treated airline pilots in the industry has somehow clouded decision making. I look around and we are literally no different than our brethren at other airlines, with very minor exceptions. The difference is weve believed that our amicable relationship with management had intangible value. So I wonder if the pilots here still believe we have this wonderful relationship? Because a take it or leave it TA with a threat of not coming back to the negotiating table does not sound so amicable to me.
06-22-2015 | 12:11 PM
#9860
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2015
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From: Power top
sadly they either know it and don't care, or they don't know it and just don't want to rock the boat. I think the need to want to feel like we are the best treated airline pilots in the industry has somehow clouded decision making. I look around and we are literally no different than our brethren at other airlines, with very minor exceptions. The difference is weve believed that our amicable relationship with management had intangible value. So I wonder if the pilots here still believe we have this wonderful relationship? Because a take it or leave it TA with a threat of not coming back to the negotiating table does not sound so amicable to me.
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