Details on Delta TA
06-07-2015, 09:24 AM
#5981
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Exactly right. Bankruptcy courts would never pull profit sharing because there's no profits in bankruptcy. We should never voluntarily negotiate it away. EVER. It's entirely different and SEPARATE from pay rates.
Carl
Carl
06-07-2015, 09:45 AM
#5982
The Brown Dot +1
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But council 1 did AND sent out their update.
Who/why did the "shadow" MEC send out their missive a day after the council 1 letter. Who was it written by? Who was it approved by? And who pressed the send button.
I know who sent the C1 letter.
Why do we have to be so leery of the organization we pay dues to to represent us?
Why do I have to try to do a signature check on MEC communication on MEC letterhead?
This was in response to PDs post which has since disappeared.
Who/why did the "shadow" MEC send out their missive a day after the council 1 letter. Who was it written by? Who was it approved by? And who pressed the send button.
I know who sent the C1 letter.
Why do we have to be so leery of the organization we pay dues to to represent us?
Why do I have to try to do a signature check on MEC communication on MEC letterhead?
This was in response to PDs post which has since disappeared.
06-07-2015, 10:01 AM
#5983
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
Originally Posted by cni187
Who else has seen the recently sent out patience email from ALPA
Here is my favorite blurb from that unsigned letter.
You, on the other hand, have not witnessed the collation of your input, the debate on the pilot’s wishes, the direction to the negotiators, the many updates from the negotiators, the re-direction, the financial analysis, the NMB briefings, and the many, many proposals that have been exchanged back and forth between the Company and your union.
06-07-2015, 10:08 AM
#5985
Gets Weekends Off
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Not a single one of these items matter one bit if they don't apply to you. Your first look should be Section 1 Scope.
Carl
Carl
Baja.
06-07-2015, 10:20 AM
#5986
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 66
I was thinking about profit sharing.
Profit sharing is inflation proof.
As the value of what the dollar can buy decreases each year profit sharing amounts should automatically increase based on the cost of relative air travel increase due to inflation.
If you follow this logic then any monetization of profit sharing should account for a 3% increase each year.
Profit sharing is inflation proof.
As the value of what the dollar can buy decreases each year profit sharing amounts should automatically increase based on the cost of relative air travel increase due to inflation.
If you follow this logic then any monetization of profit sharing should account for a 3% increase each year.
06-07-2015, 10:30 AM
#5988
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 7ER Capt
Posts: 461
Call to Action
We have never sent the NC back after reaching a TA. If all you lurkers are as concerned as I am, I strongly suggest you email your reps today!
Here is my email to my 44 reps with cc's to MD and all the LEC chairs:
Of course rumors are flying and they sound quite disturbing.
As a member who pays a significant amount of dues each year, and considering this is the best economic/negotiating environment in my almost 27yrs, I am expecting nothing short of spectacular…
If we reduce/give back/concede on ANY section of our PWA, it must be sent back. Period. If we must accept LESS INCREASE in one section to allow MORE INCREASE in another section, I would understand that.
The total value of this contract can be no less the 1 Billion per year… that is entirely reasonable and doable, given the multi-billion dollar buy backs for investors and executives.
Considering our current PS and section 3.B.4, I am more than willing to “wind the clock” and remain status quo under our current contract. (And PS is a bonus. Period. It is something we accepted to take some of the sting out of the last 11yrs. It is not to be touched. Period.)
If DALPA/ALPA cannot achieve an epic contract in these unprecedented financial times, than we have the wrong representational body. I will be forced to look for another entity that will be a better steward of my hard earned wages… this is not a threat, but is purely a business decision.
Based on many conversations in my cockpits since 2012, I am not alone in this thinking.
Thank you.
P.s., I am in Asia and I know you are busy. A reply is not necessary, as your vote and the votes of the MEC will be reply enough.
We have never sent the NC back after reaching a TA. If all you lurkers are as concerned as I am, I strongly suggest you email your reps today!
Here is my email to my 44 reps with cc's to MD and all the LEC chairs:
Of course rumors are flying and they sound quite disturbing.
As a member who pays a significant amount of dues each year, and considering this is the best economic/negotiating environment in my almost 27yrs, I am expecting nothing short of spectacular…
If we reduce/give back/concede on ANY section of our PWA, it must be sent back. Period. If we must accept LESS INCREASE in one section to allow MORE INCREASE in another section, I would understand that.
The total value of this contract can be no less the 1 Billion per year… that is entirely reasonable and doable, given the multi-billion dollar buy backs for investors and executives.
Considering our current PS and section 3.B.4, I am more than willing to “wind the clock” and remain status quo under our current contract. (And PS is a bonus. Period. It is something we accepted to take some of the sting out of the last 11yrs. It is not to be touched. Period.)
If DALPA/ALPA cannot achieve an epic contract in these unprecedented financial times, than we have the wrong representational body. I will be forced to look for another entity that will be a better steward of my hard earned wages… this is not a threat, but is purely a business decision.
Based on many conversations in my cockpits since 2012, I am not alone in this thinking.
Thank you.
P.s., I am in Asia and I know you are busy. A reply is not necessary, as your vote and the votes of the MEC will be reply enough.
06-07-2015, 10:51 AM
#5989
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
An unsigned letter from the MEC begging for "patience."
Why can't someone sign it? How about Donatelli. He's ultimately responsible. Why won't he sign? **** poor leadership.
Why can't someone sign it? How about Donatelli. He's ultimately responsible. Why won't he sign? **** poor leadership.
06-07-2015, 10:56 AM
#5990
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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This document is available on the Delta MEC website, https://dal.alpa.org. Click through the Negotiations Banner.
Contrails 17
June 7, 2015
Patience
Today is the third day since your Negotiating Committee concluded a tentative agreement (TA) with the company. Our representatives are still in the process of assessing the agreement, discussing its details with negotiators, subject matter experts, and each other. Rumors, innuendo and misinformation sprout like weeds in the public arena during contract season, and particularly when we arrive at a TA.
The reason our governance calls for the TA to be in the MEC’s hands for seven days, is to give them time to review the details and truly think about how all the pieces fit together, what the value of the agreement looks like, and what are their other alternatives should they choose to disapprove the TA and not to send it to you for your ratification.
And the difficulty for our members, for you, is that the tentative agreement is not released until the representatives discuss it in open session. But again there is a reason we do business this way. The representatives have been deeply invested in this process for over a year now. They directed and guided the process and now the result is before them. You, on the other hand, have not witnessed the collation of your input, the debate on the pilot’s wishes, the direction to the negotiators, the many updates from the negotiators, the re-direction, the financial analysis, the NMB briefings, and the many, many proposals that have been exchanged back and forth between the Company and your union.
This deliberation period between reaching a TA and the actual MEC vote on whether to approve the TA or disapprove, is invariably being filled with speculation and increased activity on various public websites, and most of that filler will be negative. We assure you, that when this TA is discussed in open session, you will be given an immediate update with facts in bullet point format along with communication pieces with the TA details. Until then, we can only ask for your patience and understanding, with the knowledge that you have the final say on any agreement that the MEC passes your way by exercising your vote in membership ratification.
Air Line Pilots Association, International
Contrails 17
June 7, 2015
Patience
Today is the third day since your Negotiating Committee concluded a tentative agreement (TA) with the company. Our representatives are still in the process of assessing the agreement, discussing its details with negotiators, subject matter experts, and each other. Rumors, innuendo and misinformation sprout like weeds in the public arena during contract season, and particularly when we arrive at a TA.
The reason our governance calls for the TA to be in the MEC’s hands for seven days, is to give them time to review the details and truly think about how all the pieces fit together, what the value of the agreement looks like, and what are their other alternatives should they choose to disapprove the TA and not to send it to you for your ratification.
And the difficulty for our members, for you, is that the tentative agreement is not released until the representatives discuss it in open session. But again there is a reason we do business this way. The representatives have been deeply invested in this process for over a year now. They directed and guided the process and now the result is before them. You, on the other hand, have not witnessed the collation of your input, the debate on the pilot’s wishes, the direction to the negotiators, the many updates from the negotiators, the re-direction, the financial analysis, the NMB briefings, and the many, many proposals that have been exchanged back and forth between the Company and your union.
This deliberation period between reaching a TA and the actual MEC vote on whether to approve the TA or disapprove, is invariably being filled with speculation and increased activity on various public websites, and most of that filler will be negative. We assure you, that when this TA is discussed in open session, you will be given an immediate update with facts in bullet point format along with communication pieces with the TA details. Until then, we can only ask for your patience and understanding, with the knowledge that you have the final say on any agreement that the MEC passes your way by exercising your vote in membership ratification.
Air Line Pilots Association, International
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