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forgot to bid 06-07-2015 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1898095)
So you're going to guarantee that another 2008 or 9/11 isn't going to happen in the next 3 years? Seriously? Or the current cycle that is going on 8 years isn't going to reverse. Wow!

If you had 9/11 2.0 happen in 2016, you're guaranteed pay will be cut. It's not guaranteed. It's all at risk.

What you're really saying is you're okay with a lower W2 in 2016 as long as there is a pay raise in the Section 3 tables.

ImTumbleweed 06-07-2015 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1898084)
What are those?

Filler....here...

BenderRodriguez 06-07-2015 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1898108)
Aww....you're batting your eyes at me and acting coy.

That's cute T.

Very cute. Sorry, I'm not into dudes. (Not that there's anything wrong with that).

I'm really curious. Why do you think the company is doing that?

TED74 06-07-2015 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1898088)
Why do you think that? Do you think the company walked in and said "This is our offer" and the negotiators then said "OK, we'll send it out to the MEC"? Really? Is that how this worked?

No, I think the company knows they have nothing to lose and history on their side to convince a corum that every negotiation is give and take.

This far in front of the ammendable date and while profits are boiling over, my hunch is we do better by slowing down and putting the heat on THEM to keep labor risk off the table.

forgot to bid 06-07-2015 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1898104)
$193 in 1992 = $335 today.

$335 x 89 credit hours per month x 12 x PS x 401K = $493K.

TheManager 06-07-2015 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1898095)
So you're going to guarantee that another 2008 or 9/11 isn't going to happen in the next 3 years? Seriously? Or the current cycle that is going on 8 years isn't going to reverse. Wow!

Guarantee: we give back profit sharing, we never get it back.

Here's another guarantee.

Economies go up and down, and when the next down turn comes, it will go back up. When they come back up, automatic gains with PS.

Here is a homework question for you. In the Great Recession, how much did it effect Delta's profits compared to the recession that preceded the Great Recession?

Furthermore, how has the new pricing paradigm, unbundled fees, impacted the bottom line for all airlines?

TheManager 06-07-2015 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1898113)
$335 x 89 credit hours per month x 12 x PS x 401K = $493K.

Now that there is some arithmetic

ImTumbleweed 06-07-2015 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1898110)
I'm really curious. Why do you think the company is doing that?

Enlighten me.

Because I don't see more time with my family or more money in my wallet as a result.

Enlighten me.

eheim3 06-07-2015 07:08 PM

Forgot to bid, that picture of me is great even though it's old. The CPI calculator made me sick to my stomach...LOL

BenderRodriguez 06-07-2015 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1898117)
Guarantee: we give back profit sharing, we never get it back.

Here's another guarantee.

Economies go up and down, and when the next down turn comes, it will go back up. When they come back up, automatic gains with PS.

Here is a homework question for you. In the Great Recession, how much did it effect Delta's profits compared to the recession that preceded the Great Recession?

Furthermore, how has the new pricing paradigm, unbundled fees, impacted the bottom line for all airlines?

I actually agree with you. I am against any PS give back. If it is in the TA, the recompense for it had better be really really good.

All the rest of this stuff in your post is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


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