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Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1898067)

Sure it is. 5.75% of that figure goes from variable (at risk) compensation to fixed compensation. Last time I checked, profit is not guaranteed. In fact I endured a bankruptcy as a consequence of the lack of profits.

But your pay rates didn't yield during bankruptcy, right? If we transfer PS into pay, it can never be taken away...amirightoramiright?

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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1898071)

I have FIVE BILLION reasons to disagree with you.

FIVE BILLION.

Tumbleweed, with all due respect, Tool is engaging you in a conversation about what you will/wont give up. Would you mind listing some gains you expect in this contract? Hours are spent talking about what could be lost (which is the goal of Ford/Harrison) with little to no time talking about what we should be gaining. Let's have that conversation please.

I'm with sharpest tool. Get rid of PS. Give me that as a percentage in my pay check plus a raise. Soon PS will be gone and or very little. Anderson is on his way out. Who knows what's next?

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Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1898067)

I'll actually go ahead and guarantee profit for the next three years, by the way. I don't need this contract to be the last contract we'll ever have since it obviously won't be.

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Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1898033)

Many on this board have set themselves up by having ridiculous and unrealistic expectations. Even if it is a good TA, it couldn't possibly be enough to satisfy many here. For example, someone just floated the rumor of pay raises that amounts to AMR + 2%, and we retain most of the PS. While one can debate the merit of that and the rest, it amounts to 21.5% compounded over 3 years. Know anyone in your neighborhood getting that deal? I certainly wouldn't be crying about it too loud.

That also would represent the top contract in the industry. Not good enough though. Really, nothing rational will meet the APC standard.

Clowns like you are comparing this (rumored) deal to AA pay rates as some sort of achievement? Dude, AA had a bankrupt contract rammed down their throat, wait a minute, shoved up their arse worse than a Ned Beatty canoe trip and nobody had the balls to let Burt Reynolds dispense justice with a hunting bow.

I'm AA and am embarrassed for you.

Yes, I will call you Caitlyn from now on. You earned it.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1898076)

But your pay rates didn't yield during bankruptcy, right? If we transfer PS into pay, it can never be taken away...amirightoramiright?

They sure as hell will yield at zero profitability, breakeven. PS will yield a fat zero at breakeven.

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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1898071)

I have FIVE BILLION reasons to disagree with you.

FIVE BILLION.

What are those?

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Originally Posted by Army80 (Post 1897996)

I want a better contract.

How does your/living the dream's strategy get us a better contract? You want everything off the table from the get go. Nothing can be traded or bargained away for improvements. The only leverage remaining is "labor peace". I don't see this as a valid strategy for our pilot group.

Go put your chest on someone else's table.

Looking at the history of this business, how is it that we believe that we will never see losses or breakeven again? The business cycle is very reliable, between 7-10 years. Then we have big events like the dot.com crash, 9/11, and the global crash of 2008.

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1898078)

I'd be happy to share my contract gains with you...

They are in my contract survey.