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06-09-2015 | 11:44 AM

#6711

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Originally Posted by Ferd149

Have you looked at the Facebook comments. I would argue it's a larger sample size and it running overwhelming no..........

Is this your first online community? Have you encontered the term vocal minority? The small group of individuals that frequently and strongly voice their opinions, constrasting with the silent majority that makes up most of the population base, but rarely give their opinions.

06-09-2015 | 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

But in coming up with a dollar value of the TA and applying that to the pay rates only would, by definition, take 100% of the company's financial concerns into account. They were all part of the up and down costing of every section. We'd be effectively paying to undo the concessions with full value reductions from the pay rates. Why on earth would they object to that? Its the ultimate "cost neutral" approach. It wouldn't cost a penny more than the current TA.

Let's say you're right. Now go back and read how many guys are already voting no because of something other than the pay rate. The NC would have to ignore the entire survey in lieu of pay rates. Fact is, everyone has their favorite slice of the pie and will be put out if they don't get it.

06-09-2015 | 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg

Before we lock-in 50% block hours, here's some actual DALPA Data on the JV for comparison:

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George

Ouch.

So why isn't it 70%? Seems that'd even out the miles. Why did they post that?

06-09-2015 | 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cogf16

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06-09-2015 | 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WARich

I'm just curious what everyone thinks the fair market value of a pilot is compensation wise? How much realistically should pilots make while taking into account not putting the company eventually in financial pain if there is an economic downturn?

Well our current contract clearly doesn't put the company in financial pain, so we therefore don't need to gut it with concessions. Even our current contract is so friendly to the company they can afford to blow 5B in shortsighted buybacks at peak value, which historically has never worked long term.

They can afford our status quo with a fair pay rate increase with no concessions.

06-09-2015 | 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sounds

So I take it you were here for the CDO saga?

06-09-2015 | 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg

Before we lock-in 50% block hours, here's some actual DALPA Data on the JV for comparison:

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George, please keep in mind that those don't include Alitalia, and they do include our UK flying which wouldn't be counted under the TA. The block hour ratio today is considerably different.

06-09-2015 | 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I don't see this as a big backfire. After talking with several reps it may be it does not pass tomorrow. It's not the end of the world to send the NC back to the company. On the other hand substantial improvements are not likely. 2 to 3 % more in pay would probably cement a pass assuming the rumors on the JV section are not correct. My discussions say the JV section is fine and there will be more explanation to follow.

So what do you think the EASK to block hours (50/50) is all about? Because unless they grossely misphrased it, then it appears that is a massive concession to the company. Absolutely massive.

06-09-2015 | 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth

George, please keep in mind that those don't include Alitalia, and they do include our UK flying which wouldn't be counted under the TA. The block hour ratio today is considerably different.

OK, so what is it today? How much of a reduction does this TA allow?

06-09-2015 | 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Ouch.

So why isn't it 70%? Seems that'd even out the miles. Why did they post that?

Those may include UK numbers, which are covered under the VA LOA.

I'll check. And get back to you all.

51.5% is what I understand our current JV block hours to be at. But again, I will check on it.