Details on Delta TA
06-12-2015 | 12:38 PM
#8091
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This is from UBS:
During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either.
Why are they so delayed?
The ugly: big labor ask coming
SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only
major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either.
Why are they so delayed?
Uhhhh, because they have more respect for their profession/dignity than to accept "cost neutral" offers during the good times.
Next question- "Yeah? How's that working out for them?
Answer- not too well for them, but with our profit sharing, we will do better without accepting the QOL concessions for an 8% pay raise and reintroducing labor risk to our stock valuation.
06-12-2015 | 12:40 PM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
Why do you think they would give the ALPA MEC chairman this power unless he was willing to use it? C2018 negotiations have already begun. International investment and outsourcing. All JV partners owned up to 49% and add new ones.
Result: Delta tickets are not Delta tickets but are Delta profits.
Result: Delta tickets are not Delta tickets but are Delta profits.
06-12-2015 | 12:41 PM
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06-12-2015 | 12:47 PM
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The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid.”
That was some of the best flying I've seen to date - right up to the part where you got killed
06-12-2015 | 12:59 PM
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06-12-2015 | 01:02 PM
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Uhhhh, because they have more respect for their profession/dignity than to accept "cost neutral" offers during the good times.
Next question- "Yeah? How's that working out for them?
Answer- not too well for them, but with our profit sharing, we will do better without accepting the QOL concessions for an 8% pay raise and reintroducing labor risk to our stock valuation.
Next question- "Yeah? How's that working out for them?
Answer- not too well for them, but with our profit sharing, we will do better without accepting the QOL concessions for an 8% pay raise and reintroducing labor risk to our stock valuation.
btw, 8% is the early raise. Net increases in the agreement are over $1.1B according to the negotiators.
06-12-2015 | 01:03 PM
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How about truth to the rumor that fewer MEC members want the TA to fail (don't recommend it) than pass...but the majority wanted all pilots to make it so?
A road show including the recommendations of the MEC wouldn't hurt, and it would be telling if those who own the TA actually think it stinks.
A road show including the recommendations of the MEC wouldn't hurt, and it would be telling if those who own the TA actually think it stinks.
06-12-2015 | 01:06 PM
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Check my schedule if you want to find out if I'm collecting FPL.
Is accusing someone of being on FPL your best line of attack when someone thinks this TA might be okay to vote yes on. FYI: I'm still undecided. Leaning yes now.
Look, the concessions suck. I do not like the sick leave change or the LCA change. But we still get 14 days of sick leave no questions asked. And 270 a year for whatever you want with a note. Shouldn't affect anyone. If you need surgery get a note and get it done. If you're sick you're covered for 270. Sick leave has some improvements too.
LCA OE PBS pulls - an argument could be made that this is a big deal for FO's. They will have to judge that against the pay raise, etc. I'm not going to preach for this change. I don't like it.
The 5 cent a year change in per diem is based on 2% inflation. It basically stays the same. BFD. Lots to be concerned about but not per diem.
Bottom line: I like the $50,000 a year improvement and, while it's a tough call, I think this TA might be worth it.
Mark Marchione
Is accusing someone of being on FPL your best line of attack when someone thinks this TA might be okay to vote yes on. FYI: I'm still undecided. Leaning yes now.
Look, the concessions suck. I do not like the sick leave change or the LCA change. But we still get 14 days of sick leave no questions asked. And 270 a year for whatever you want with a note. Shouldn't affect anyone. If you need surgery get a note and get it done. If you're sick you're covered for 270. Sick leave has some improvements too.
LCA OE PBS pulls - an argument could be made that this is a big deal for FO's. They will have to judge that against the pay raise, etc. I'm not going to preach for this change. I don't like it.
The 5 cent a year change in per diem is based on 2% inflation. It basically stays the same. BFD. Lots to be concerned about but not per diem.
Bottom line: I like the $50,000 a year improvement and, while it's a tough call, I think this TA might be worth it.
Mark Marchione
These other items are a BFD's! The lifeblood of a pilots legal right to fly are his medical records. I as sure as hell don't want the company messing with mine for any reason. Before we even start to talk about pay rates, the ability of the company to demand access to my medical records under ANY circumstances needs to be removed! Wasn't there a time when ALPA stood for safety. Intimating pilots to not call in sick is the antitheses of what that organization should be about.
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