Details on Delta TA
06-12-2015 | 04:43 PM
#8191
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Look.
Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.
But I know now this TA is more money.
Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.
But I know now this TA is more money.
06-12-2015 | 04:44 PM
#8192
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I was simply replying to his post. he was fretting that ditching ALPA was weakening the fight against the ME3. nothing is further from the truth.
06-12-2015 | 04:47 PM
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While this would be nice to do, how would you compare? Some got PBGC on our list. Some more, some less. Many are straight 401k's and DC plans.
Then there is the Airways and AW side of 'AA'. Its a nearly impossible task to make comparisons like that. It would be a three dimensional matrices that nobody could do anything with.
I understand your point, but when making comparisons it becomes very difficult to do anything other than point to current compensation.
You can disagree, that is cool. But this is the rationale.
Then there is the Airways and AW side of 'AA'. Its a nearly impossible task to make comparisons like that. It would be a three dimensional matrices that nobody could do anything with.
I understand your point, but when making comparisons it becomes very difficult to do anything other than point to current compensation.
You can disagree, that is cool. But this is the rationale.
06-12-2015 | 04:47 PM
#8194
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This is a HUGE concession. Its not about stopping rolling thunder so much as it is to get everyone in base on the day before they start reserve like before. Nothing on day one before 10am was one of the best QOL improvements to reserves in a long time. Heck, it was noon in all situations until we sold back the 2 hours during the 117 LOA prior to 3pm the day prior.
This will drive both less staffing and less premium pay as now they will be able to cover much more early morning flying with fewer reserves because all reserves on day one will now be on the hook for early SC instead of nothing before 10AM/Noon.
This is an unbelievable give back of flat out treasonous proportions. Absolutely disgusting that we would ever have even entertained this fantasy "shopping cart" idiocy.
Yet another reason to vote heck no.
This will drive both less staffing and less premium pay as now they will be able to cover much more early morning flying with fewer reserves because all reserves on day one will now be on the hook for early SC instead of nothing before 10AM/Noon.
This is an unbelievable give back of flat out treasonous proportions. Absolutely disgusting that we would ever have even entertained this fantasy "shopping cart" idiocy.
Yet another reason to vote heck no.
06-12-2015 | 04:48 PM
#8195
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Look.
Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.
But I know now this TA is more money.
Those are nuggets I don't like either. I am getting up to speed on what all the concessions are as well as the improvements - which there are. On balance if you don't like the TA in its entirety vote no. I am still undecided. If the nuggets are that bad I'll vote no. But right now I'm in no rush and I'll carefully sort through all the details.
But I know now this TA is more money.
06-12-2015 | 04:52 PM
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Its just the way it is. Shall we compare ourselves to those of us at DL who still have pensions as well?
Current state going forward is one of the few ways and contract comparison will be effective.
06-12-2015 | 04:55 PM
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Understanding the steps to self-help in the RLA is imperative for any unionized worker in the transportation industry. They can be pretty intricate for the first time user. DAL has never gotten to the final steps of this process. I don't think they have ever made it to mediation. NWA is all too familiar with it. Once you learn the process, the steps fall into place.
The first step doesn't take place until the end of the year. We are well ahead of that with the voluntary negotiations that have just concluded.
If this TA is rejected, there is nothing to stop either the Company or DALPA from reengaging in negotiations prior to the amendable date at the end of the year. In fairness, I have to point out that both sides would have to agree to it. There is nothing to compel them other than mutual self-interest.
The first step doesn't take place until the end of the year. We are well ahead of that with the voluntary negotiations that have just concluded.
If this TA is rejected, there is nothing to stop either the Company or DALPA from reengaging in negotiations prior to the amendable date at the end of the year. In fairness, I have to point out that both sides would have to agree to it. There is nothing to compel them other than mutual self-interest.
06-12-2015 | 04:55 PM
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Well, at this particular time, I don't care about tightening the compliance period. That can be done as the result of a grievance. We are already in the year to year compliance until they do get in the window.
By the way, can you post or point me to where I can see the full language/results of the JV grievance that was negotiated separately from TA2015? I haven't seen it anywhere and would like to. Thx
Denny
By the way, can you post or point me to where I can see the full language/results of the JV grievance that was negotiated separately from TA2015? I haven't seen it anywhere and would like to. Thx
Denny
06-12-2015 | 04:56 PM
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DAL Earnings Date
Earnings announcement* for DAL: Jul 15, 2015
06-12-2015 | 04:58 PM
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1. Get pilots to give up ironclad protections on NRT flying.
2. Only protect TRANS-Pacific flying (US-Asia) - "It's a huge win for this pilot group!!!"
3. Buy 49% stake in Skymark
4. Give MEC chair ability to paint Skymark planes in Delta colors, filled with passangers on Delta tickets, but operated by low cost crews.
Management just got that NRT hub back, but with operating costs cut in half...
Played like a fiddle....
2. Only protect TRANS-Pacific flying (US-Asia) - "It's a huge win for this pilot group!!!"
3. Buy 49% stake in Skymark
4. Give MEC chair ability to paint Skymark planes in Delta colors, filled with passangers on Delta tickets, but operated by low cost crews.
Management just got that NRT hub back, but with operating costs cut in half...
Played like a fiddle....
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