I think those that commute would lose at least 1 1/2 day off and the additional hotel costs. There is a reason these "little" things changed and it's not for your benefit.

 

First post on a forum ever. This TA is dragging me into the 21st century, against my will...

Has anyone heard about E-Jets being used to replace Mad Dogs? 717s were sold as replacing RJs but I've been seeing 'em on a lot of my old 88 trips/layovers. It seems 190/195s are initially being pushed as replacing RJs, too, but if they have a 4-hr range, I don't see them going to Columbus, GA. True, the Mini Dog goes to Augusta, but so did the 88.

I'm a "NO", but if I need to plan on downsizing the house, I'd like to start getting ready.

 

While this would be nice to do, how would you compare? Some got PBGC on our list. Some more, some less. Many are straight 401k's and DC plans.

Then there is the Airways and AW side of 'AA'. Its a nearly impossible task to make comparisons like that. It would be a three dimensional matrices that nobody could do anything with.

I understand your point, but when making comparisons it becomes very difficult to do anything other than point to current compensation.

You can disagree, that is cool. But this is the rationale.

 

That is possible. Is it also possible that they'll replace the X days after the short call day thus making you only available for one day? I don't sit reserve so I'm asking too.

 

I appreciate that. But there are lots and lots of people working out there right now on your behalf. Not just me.

The reality is that most P2P folks easily put in 4x at the very least work for any hour of FPL they receive. It is simply the nature of the job.

Please keep using this network to inform your decision on this TA.

 

I'd believe it-especially if the mad dog isn't taking well to the new flight deck upgrades.

 

I wanted 25% more. Net. How much did you want?

 

This is a HUGE concession. Its not about stopping rolling thunder so much as it is to get everyone in base on the day before they start reserve like before. Nothing on day one before 10am was one of the best QOL improvements to reserves in a long time. Heck, it was noon in all situations until we sold back the 2 hours during the 117 LOA prior to 3pm the day prior.

This will drive both less staffing and less premium pay as now they will be able to cover much more early morning flying with fewer reserves because all reserves on day one will now be on the hook for early SC instead of nothing before 10AM/Noon.

This is an unbelievable give back of flat out treasonous proportions. Absolutely disgusting that we would ever have even entertained this fantasy "shopping cart" idiocy.

Yet another reason to vote heck no.

 

I don't believe the question was answered so I'll ask again, Why? What purpose does that serve? I couldn't get the clue either so can I have an answer please? The pay rates say 7/1/2015 not after a vote is finished.

 

Remember that the language allows for 75% to be removed of those trips tagged for OE. Not simply LCA trips. Fine point, but thought I would bring it up.

I owe everyone more JV stuff, but simply put this is not a decrease in current JV flying nor should we see any ill effects from this language in the future. I'll cover this later, really.

I know man. Its a lot to consider. There are multi-variate effects from this change in the contract. There is zero question about that. It effects some categories and seniorities more than others.

Clearly this was a request to increase productivity from the company. I think we can all agree on that. The question is, on a personal level, does it reach the threshold (combined with other changes) for it to outweigh the upside of greater pay?

I know how much the top end JV bugs us, and it should. But the conversion to block hours is a wash, truly. And we are tightening the compliance period and band so that we can better regulate the balance of flying and not wait three years for a grievance.