Details on Delta TA
06-15-2015 | 12:51 PM
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So lets assume it is a one for one swap. The remaining portion of the raise barely keeps up with inflation going forward. Not to mention that you are 'funding' your own raise. The company is not coming off anything in the era of 5B+ profits. That's my biggest beef with the pay. If they want to lower PS, OK, but come up with some cash for it. Like 10/8/6/6 maybe. At least that is a real raise with inflation factored in.
Secondly the reduction of profit sharing self funds 6%. So a 21% raise over 3 years is truly a 15% raise. Not a home run but that's a decent chunk of change. And we'll be back to the table in 2018, 2 years before AA's CURRENT deal expires
06-15-2015 | 12:53 PM
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Depending what Delta's profits are I do believe this change to PS could save the company money even when factoring in increased pilot costs going forward. However, Our pay would be roughly the same if the company makes 6 Billion in 2016 whether the TA was 8/6/3/3 and changing PS to 10% between 2.5 and 6B or 8/0/3/3 and leaving PS where it is. I agree with many on this board that say the pay raise is not enough but I question the ones that say the change in PS make it a no go for them. What am I missing?
Second, any monetizing of PS should have come AFTER suitable a suitable pay raise.
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06-15-2015 | 12:55 PM
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So lets assume it is a one for one swap. The remaining portion of the raise barely keeps up with inflation going forward. Not to mention that you are 'funding' your own raise. The company is not coming off anything in the era of 5B+ profits. That's my biggest beef with the pay. If they want to lower PS, OK, but come up with some cash for it. Like 10/8/6/6 maybe. At least that is a real raise with inflation factored in.
06-15-2015 | 12:57 PM
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Depending what Delta's profits are I do believe this change to PS could save the company money even when factoring in increased pilot costs going forward. However, Our pay would be roughly the same if the company makes 6 Billion in 2016 whether the TA was 8/6/3/3 and changing PS to 10% between 2.5 and 6B or 8/0/3/3 and leaving PS where it is. I agree with many on this board that say the pay raise is not enough but I question the ones that say the change in PS make it a no go for them. What am I missing?
06-15-2015 | 01:10 PM
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06-15-2015 | 01:12 PM
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For those of you who say "I only call in sick if I'm sick so it won't affect me". I'm very happy for you (and a little jealous) that you are sick so infrequently. By stating it that way you imply that anyone who goes over must be abusing sick leave. I use almost 100 hours every year. I've gone as high as 130 hours and as little as 60. I get a sinus infection almost every spring and fall during allergy season and I have a bad back that goes out 2-3 times a year. I really don't care if they want to see my medical history about these issues (they go back over 25 years). My problem is, if I can't self verify on these issues then any cold, stomach issues, or any other sick that I would not need to verify for will now need verification. Thanks DALPA.
06-15-2015 | 01:13 PM
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06-15-2015 | 01:14 PM
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For those of you who say "I only call in sick if I'm sick so it won't affect me". I'm very happy for you (and a little jealous) that you are sick so infrequently. By stating it that way you imply that anyone who goes over must be abusing sick leave. I use almost 100 hours every year. I've gone as high as 130 hours and as little as 60. I get a sinus infection almost every spring and fall during allergy season and I have a bad back that goes out 2-3 times a year. I really don't care if they want to see my medical history about these issues (they go back over 25 years). My problem is, if I can't self verify on these issues then any cold, stomach issues, or any other sick that I would not need to verify for will now need verification. Thanks DALPA.
06-15-2015 | 01:16 PM
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8/6/3/3 would be more tolerable, not acceptable mind you, if they left PS as is. At least it would be a small raise. 8/0/3/3 with PS the same is basically 4/4/3/3 which barely keeps with inflation. Don't misunderstand me, I am all for converting soft money to hard money, but not with a loan shark. Rather get a fair exchange rate.
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