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Alan Shore 08-25-2014 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1712071)
Exactly what are you willing to DO in order to actually USE any leverage there might be?
Whatever my union needs me to do.

DAL 88 Driver 08-25-2014 04:40 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1712134)
Whatever my union needs me to do.
Maybe you need to start thinking about what your "union" needs to be doing to restore this profession and our careers, instead of making every excuse in the book for why that's supposedly not possible.

forgot to bid 08-25-2014 04:44 AM
13. Leaves of Absence
Medical
Military
Legal Duty
Transfer
Maternity
FMLA
Death in the Immediate Family
Personal Leave

14 Sick Leave
Pay and Credit
Notification/Verification of Sickness
Medical Release
Monthly Bidding
Drug/Alcohol Rehab
International Ops
Effect on Vacation
Early Return from Known Sick Leave
Workers Compensation
If you have a dependent that is hospitalized you should be able to use your sick leave to attend to them and not just have trips dropped.

Alan Shore 08-25-2014 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1712152)
Maybe you need to start thinking about what your "union" needs to be doing to restore this profession and our careers
I give that lots of thought, and I provide my reps with those thoughts on a regular basis, just as you do.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1712152)
...instead of making every excuse in the book for why that's supposedly not possible.
Every excuse in the book? Really? And just when I thought that you and I were getting back to having at least reasonable discussions. :(

DAL 88 Driver 08-25-2014 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1712156)
I give that lots of thought, and I provide my reps with those thoughts on a regular basis, just as you do.
If it's the same thoughts you provide here, then I'll bet your reps really enjoy your input. It's comfortable in the echo chamber.


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1712156)
Every excuse in the book? Really? And just when I thought that you and I were getting back to having at least reasonable discussions. :(
Really.

Yeah, I know. The only way to have a "reasonable discussion" with DALPA is if you agree with them...

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chuck416 08-25-2014 05:23 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1711440)
On 1 jan the rate goes to 270.00. Add in the DC plan and profit sharing around 15% and were talking 350.00 per hour.
We also worked few hours in 2013.then SW and earned more credit. One JoBerg trip on a GS could pay over 20 grand for 3 days.
So, in using the 15% contribution allocated to one's retirement, on the surface, you seem to be advocating that those funds are liquid usable dollars today, which they are/were never intended to be. That 15% contribution is/was intended to replace one's 65% FAE retirement pension, and is woefully inadequate even for that. WRT the G/S 3-day JoBerg trip, how does that work in the 717 or the -88 driver's situation? We continue to work under a concessionary contract. If we don't fix our contract under these current economic conditions, what is the point of paying our dues to DALPA?

tsquare 08-25-2014 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1711991)
Why does management want to reduce our profit sharing so badly??
Prove that assertion. You keep saying it, yet have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever that it has actually been floated. Yet another Fielding turd in the punchbowl.

tsquare 08-25-2014 05:27 AM
Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1712044)

Who gets PAID in Delta Stock Options? (management)
You want stock options? I'd take 'em in a gnats heartbeat, but I'll betcha that is an extreme minority position.

tsquare 08-25-2014 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1712165)
So, in using the 15% contribution allocated to one's retirement, on the surface, you seem to be advocating that those funds are liquid usable dollars today, which they are/were never intended to be. That 15% contribution is/was intended to replace one's 65% FAE retirement pension, and is woefully inadequate even for that.
This is true for the deadzoners, but not for the newbies. New hires are gonna be rich beyond your wildest dreams if they invest wisely.

Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1712165)
WRT the G/S 3-day JoBerg trip, how does that work in the 717 or the -88 driver's situation? We continue to work under a concessionary contract. If we don't fix our contract under these current economic conditions, what is the point of paying our dues to DALPA?
Bigger pays more. You benefit, 88driver does not. It's what the majority wants.

gzsg 08-25-2014 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1712166)
Prove that assertion. You keep saying it, yet have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever that it has actually been floated. Yet another Fielding turd in the punchbowl.
Square

Are you still standing by the fact the management does not want pay banding and longer freezes as well?

You can bury your head in the sand until DALPA tells you to sell it like its hot, but it won't change the cost neutral outcome.

Jerry


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