Is that really necessary?

Folks it's 2-3% of total trips in a category. Not 2% of FOs. Sure ALL FOs will be affected negatively some what. But not enough to expect a drastic dump in QOL that many worry about.

Most current FOs will be halfway up the list or better in 10 years. There is no need to worry about 75% of 3% of trips.

Although I do understand the vitriol from folks who were making 300k+ in the right seat and not senior enough to get the top 25% of trips.

Trip........it's the CONCEPT that's it's an abrogation of seniority. There are carriers out there at require you to upgrade when you are senior enough to hold it (I think AA still requires that when someone in your class upgrades). We don't do that because we believe in "bid what you want and want what you bid". This is no different.

Ferd

Ah, parroting the slides. Tell me, is that 2-3% of trips or block hours? Those are big differences. (after pressing my rep, the number goes higher than that in reality, too-- this is just what they are putting out hoping people like you bite off on it)

Also, check that whole industry standard thing. You might be surprised what you find when you leave the echo chamber. Most regionals even have it better than this hunk of junk.

There are so many things wrong with these statements coming from you! You weren't here when we had to buy back our 23G5 that we lost during the bad times. We spent negotiating capital to get it and but that's ok by you since you didn't spend a dime. As for your statement about what does it matter because most current FO's will be halfway up the list, that reaks of the I've got mine screw the new guys. I get it, life has been roses for those of you hired since 07 but believe me every line in that contract has cost us dearly and I am not about to just give it away.

Ok off my soapbox.

Nobody is being skipped in line to say seniority wasn't being honored. The some trips simply aren't available anymore after 25% is hit. An abrogation of seniority is something like a globalized PBS system that awards a trip a senior person could have held to a junior pilot to complete the Awards

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What? I think you just made my point.....we don't do that either for the same reason.......

My question of the day is "If this only affects about 2% of FO's then it must not be that many trips then why is it such a high priority for the company?"

I mean it couldn't be that much of a cost savings right? I'm sure the union could rerun July and let us see how I bids would have turned out versus what we got. We have computer smart guys that can do that. Could be interesting.

So let me get this right. If we have something that is better that industry standard, we have to negotiate it away to get something worse? Does that apply to everything? How can we possibly go after higher that industry standard pay? That wouldn't be right. Would it?
Unbelievable!!