View Poll Results: Who is the most desperate to get a TA?
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45.45%
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Poll: Who wanted a TA more?
09-08-2015 | 12:27 PM
#11
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From: 777B
1. Staffing issue is solved. 717 deliveries end in December, no E-190's so hiring drops to about 40 per month. IOE trip drops will be cut by 60-70% just on that alone.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
Apparently E190s were not important to the business plan. The sim closure for construction is the reason hiring was slowed.
Do you just like to lie or is it all you know how to do?
09-08-2015 | 01:39 PM
#12
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From: Hates Commuting
09-08-2015 | 01:40 PM
#13
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From: Light Chop
1. Staffing issue is solved. 717 deliveries end in December, no E-190's so hiring drops to about 40 per month. IOE trip drops will be cut by 60-70% just on that alone.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
09-08-2015 | 02:55 PM
#15
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From: 765-A
1. Staffing issue is solved. 717 deliveries end in December, no E-190's so hiring drops to about 40 per month. IOE trip drops will be cut by 60-70% just on that alone.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
1.) Staffing issue solved? Ok. How many more 737's are still to be delivered? Do you see the open time for 767 FO's that is still out there? Finally, I heard the hiring was down because of some sims being down, NOT because the 190's aren't coming.
2.) The most junior captain is 10,600 with tons of airplanes to be delivered, accelerating retirements, and many of the FO's I fly with making twice as much as me in the summer months. They care.
3.) Our contract does cover other employees.
SECTION 3.I (page 3-14) of our current K:
Profit Sharing Plan
Eligibility Pilot and non-pilot employees of the Company generally, except for management employees covered by incentive compensation plans
Eligibility Pilot and non-pilot employees of the Company generally, except for management employees covered by incentive compensation plans
The other things you say about Bartells is unprofessional and unresponsive. For you to act like Anderson is treading us as pilots like petulant children is ridiculous. Reminds me of how the TA was presented to us.
Are you in the communications department with DALPA?
09-08-2015 | 05:39 PM
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09-08-2015 | 05:47 PM
#18
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From: DAL 330
1. Staffing issue is solved. 717 deliveries end in December, no E-190's so hiring drops to about 40 per month. IOE trip drops will be cut by 60-70% just on that alone.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
2. Why would they care?
3. They are going to give the other employees big raises soon and cut their profit sharing, so only 12,000 employees get huge profit sharing checks. Our contract does not cover the other employees.
What other leverage do you have?
We already know Bartels tried to blame Anderson for the failed TA and Anderson stuck it right back in his face. Anderson is done with this MEC until the witch hunts/lunacy ends; that alone gets you well into 2016. He told the MEC to strap in for the long haul which is what set Bartels to getting red faced. He needs the money to pay off that expensive house in San Diego. Woops.
I have some news for you - the staffing issues have not even really kicked in yet.
We have been hiring to mostly accommodate the increase in NBs with a trickle of retirements. This results in little or no second and third order effects.
Once the flood, and yes I mean flood, of retirements kick in we will be hiring to replace retirees, new WBs, and new NB's.
The second and third order affects of the retirements off the top alone will be quite substantial. Add to that the new 330s, 350s, 321's and you have got a serious training burden.
Why do you think the company wanted this whole issue dealt with now? They are looking ahead. DALPA was apparently very concerned with the view via the rear-view mirror.
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09-08-2015 | 05:48 PM
#19
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From: Light Chop
And it's be a great weapon for the iam to use to win the next vote. So if DAL is playing chess and not dalpa checkers, they'll probably hold off on encouraging a yes vote with the FAs until they can pass the blame on to someone else... like the pilots.
09-08-2015 | 05:56 PM
#20
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The PS conversion was a no brainer. We should be demanding that the MEC negotiate that change, NOT the other way around. We always come out even or better with less risk. Anyone who does not understand that does not understand how the conversion worked. Call it 8 3 3 with a conversion if you like, but there's NO reason we should not want that conversion. Same for the other employees.
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