View Poll Results: Who is the most desperate to get a TA?
DAL
58
47.93%
DALPA/C44
55
45.45%
Pilots
8
6.61%
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Poll: Who wanted a TA more?
09-11-2015 | 06:49 AM
#111
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From: 765A
Much better way of saying what I was trying to tell him.
Once upon a time I had 5 years perfect attendance.....but I was young. But seriously, I have no problem getting a doctor's note. In fact my wife loves it, it makes me see the doctor vs John Wayne-ing it through and getting her sick too.
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Once upon a time I had 5 years perfect attendance.....but I was young. But seriously, I have no problem getting a doctor's note. In fact my wife loves it, it makes me see the doctor vs John Wayne-ing it through and getting her sick too.
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09-11-2015 | 07:07 AM
#112
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From: LAX ERA
Absolutely my point........read back a few pages on my concerns about who the worker bees were going to be. No one knew, they would only tell me it wasn't going to be Segwick.
I really don't think they had all the details worked out.
Ferd
I really don't think they had all the details worked out.
Ferd
09-11-2015 | 07:13 AM
#113
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From: Light Chop
I never claimed sick leave changes were not a concession, though for me, having to complete a doctor note once in a while is not a huge burden. So were the OE changes. PS, not so much. Every agreement, including the one you may someday vote for, will have concessions. They occur on both sides of the ledger. Management conceded at least $1.1B net in this last one.
But more importantly, let me guess why you're in favor of the sick language, OE language and PS changes:
A) You fly sick and think people should man up and fly even if they're not 100%.
B) You're not an FO so you're kind of jealous of the $300K 73N FO in NYC and so forth and don't think it's fair. All that stuff about pulling trips doesn't bother you because you're not an FO.
C) You bought into the at risk pay argument floated by the union months ago because you question nothing that comes from ALPA.
Is that about right?B) You're not an FO so you're kind of jealous of the $300K 73N FO in NYC and so forth and don't think it's fair. All that stuff about pulling trips doesn't bother you because you're not an FO.
C) You bought into the at risk pay argument floated by the union months ago because you question nothing that comes from ALPA.
And you need to read the contract before you vote on it. Just saying. Don't just take DALPA's word for what's in it. Think about the RAH debacle, that was a life lesson in how DALPA and it's lawyers work a contract.
09-11-2015 | 07:20 AM
#114
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From: Light Chop
I don't concede. Verify then trust. Show me the documented abuse. If this is truly the case deal with it on an individual basis. If it was a significant problem it would have and still can be addressed by LOA outside of sect. 6. This is an invented problem to drive productivity and reduce expectations.
We just have a lot of people who just accepting things without question. I mean some people I guess just refuse to question anything DALPA says, they question nothing. DALPA is all things right and good and anyone who stands against that is obviously either a petulant Northwest pilot, a post 2001 new hire or a turncoat pre merger DAL who have been here a while.
09-11-2015 | 07:36 AM
#115
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IE no change to the current sick leave method.There are plenty of situations that could leave you trying to live on a fraction of your monthly pay when disability runs out. The unused hours could add up big time for many. FedEx and others have a form of it. An added benefit may be that it cuts down on those who view their sick leave as paid time off.
09-11-2015 | 10:17 AM
#116
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From: LAX ERA
I agree with this except why not give some kind of credit for sick leave not used? They tried this in a small way with the TA but it should be improved. I think Timbo said it a long time ago. We get these hours every year and the vast majority of us use very few while we're young and healthy. They vaporize every year. Why not have a meaningful program that will fund you when something big happens or go toward your retirement if you never need it.
There are plenty of situations that could leave you trying to live on a fraction of your monthly pay when disability runs out. The unused hours could add up big time for many. FedEx and others have a form of it. An added benefit may be that it cuts down on those who view their sick leave as paid time off.
There are plenty of situations that could leave you trying to live on a fraction of your monthly pay when disability runs out. The unused hours could add up big time for many. FedEx and others have a form of it. An added benefit may be that it cuts down on those who view their sick leave as paid time off.
09-11-2015 | 11:35 AM
#117
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It is management that believed the changes would curb abuse. I understood the policy when I cast my ballot, but it was never my intent to judge whether or not the changes would do what management wanted them to do. That's my only point here.
09-11-2015 | 11:40 AM
#118
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I don't concede. Verify then trust. Show me the documented abuse. If this is truly the case deal with it on an individual basis. If it was a significant problem it would have and still can be addressed by LOA outside of sect. 6. This is an invented problem to drive productivity and reduce expectations.
09-11-2015 | 12:45 PM
#120
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From: Power top
Please, why doesn't C2012 curb alleged abuse? Somewhere in the back of your head, isn't there a little voice saying, "Rocky, they want to increase productivity".
If the change of policy is so small, how is it going to curb abuse?
Hey now
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