View Poll Results: Who is the most desperate to get a TA?
DAL
58
47.93%
DALPA/C44
55
45.45%
Pilots
8
6.61%
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Poll: Who wanted a TA more?
09-10-2015 | 07:45 PM
#82
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I never claimed it was in the PWA. To the contrary, I pointed out that it was a contractually enforceable agreement between the union and the company and that this had been briefed at the road shows and in a Contrails. This was news to you. You refuse to believe the agreement is enforceable, and I have lost interest in addressing you delusions, but you keep bringing it up, so I keep responding.
Get over it, and get out of the way.
It's time to put Labor Risk back on the table.
If you can't handle that "Tough Choice" then you don't deserve the benefits we are trying to restore.
09-10-2015 | 07:49 PM
#83
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Dude, irrelevant to the claim you made. You would have lost zero sick leave, counter to your hyperbolic statement you made earlier. So go back to your couch and pontificate on the tough choices "we" are trying to restore.
09-10-2015 | 07:51 PM
#84
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I never claimed it was in the PWA. To the contrary, I pointed out that it was a contractually enforceable agreement between the union and the company and that this had been briefed at the road shows and in a Contrails. This was news to you. You refuse to believe the agreement is enforceable, and I have lost interest in addressing you delusions, but you keep bringing it up, so I keep responding.
The correct language could have easily been inserted into the paragraph but it wasn't.
Why? Well, probably because there is no way with an ATL centric lca system, with some of the fleets, that they'd want to lose the ability to pull trips from FOs simply because it was an out of base OE.
DAL would simply get no benefit from this trip pull language if they were restricted to in category OEs.
But no matter the reason, it isn't there.
09-10-2015 | 07:53 PM
#85
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09-10-2015 | 07:55 PM
#86
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From: Light Chop
It's like the top end pay rate, it's the primary focus of dalpa to show what they can do vs united and FedEx but whereas 15% and 70% of their respective fleets get paid that only (soon) 2% of our fleet is to end.
What's the point in sick leave and top end pay if you can't use it?
(Well, other than you, you can use it timbo, but the rest of us...
)
09-10-2015 | 07:57 PM
#87
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Either way, the answer to the question "How much sick leave would you have lost under the TA?" is still "zero." Timbo was just being hysterical as often happens here.
09-10-2015 | 08:01 PM
#88
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Well that right there puts it in a nutshell. When asked to make a hard decision about what you are going to do about staffing, you punt and go on the attack. Please tell me, with all your infinite wisdom, that you understand that if staffing problems are your leverage, you have to do something about their staffing problems in order to use that leverage. You can't say to them that you have leverage over staffing and then tell them you won't do a thing about it.
So instead of making a hard choice, you take the coward's way out and simply sit back and criticize the choices that others were forced to make.
This is exactly the point I was making before. Leadership is about making hard choices. You think there is some world where you walk into a room and make your contract demands and management simply nods their heads and signs the paper. That world doesn't exist, it never existed, and it will never exist. So if you ever want a contract, you need to get back to the real world. Your sanctimonious crap is just sanctimonious crap. I have more time flying Delta jets around than you do so I really don't need a lecture about "flying the line". What a bunch of crap.
If you examine the cases of US Airways pilots in their merger and the United pilots in their merger you will see the contrast in leadership and results. The US Airways pilots took the easy, cowardly way and simply sat on straight date of hire. They never had to answer for making tough choices to their pilots but in the end they screwed them over by making themselves irrelevant to their seniority integration.
The United MEC took a different path. Instead of sticking on an unreasonable position like straight date of hire, they made the tough choice to go for a hybrid list. The webboard jockeys, just like you, criticized them for being surrender monkeys and weaklings and I'm sure for "not flying the line". In the end, the seniority list was built around the ideas of the United pilots and they benefited from that greatly. They were lucky that the webboard crowd was ignored.
That is what the real world is about. Making tough choices in an imperfect world. Guys like you get to ride above that by standing back and throwing rocks at people that get in there and make those tough choices. Well bully for you. I know you think you are tough but I see you as weak; too weak to make the tough choices. So maybe you should try to put your big boy pants on and actually get in and make some of those choices. I mean, you say it's easy, so you should have this all figured out in a jiffy. By the way, I prefer to work only on Tuesday so see if you can get that fixed up for me.
So instead of making a hard choice, you take the coward's way out and simply sit back and criticize the choices that others were forced to make.
This is exactly the point I was making before. Leadership is about making hard choices. You think there is some world where you walk into a room and make your contract demands and management simply nods their heads and signs the paper. That world doesn't exist, it never existed, and it will never exist. So if you ever want a contract, you need to get back to the real world. Your sanctimonious crap is just sanctimonious crap. I have more time flying Delta jets around than you do so I really don't need a lecture about "flying the line". What a bunch of crap.
If you examine the cases of US Airways pilots in their merger and the United pilots in their merger you will see the contrast in leadership and results. The US Airways pilots took the easy, cowardly way and simply sat on straight date of hire. They never had to answer for making tough choices to their pilots but in the end they screwed them over by making themselves irrelevant to their seniority integration.
The United MEC took a different path. Instead of sticking on an unreasonable position like straight date of hire, they made the tough choice to go for a hybrid list. The webboard jockeys, just like you, criticized them for being surrender monkeys and weaklings and I'm sure for "not flying the line". In the end, the seniority list was built around the ideas of the United pilots and they benefited from that greatly. They were lucky that the webboard crowd was ignored.
That is what the real world is about. Making tough choices in an imperfect world. Guys like you get to ride above that by standing back and throwing rocks at people that get in there and make those tough choices. Well bully for you. I know you think you are tough but I see you as weak; too weak to make the tough choices. So maybe you should try to put your big boy pants on and actually get in and make some of those choices. I mean, you say it's easy, so you should have this all figured out in a jiffy. By the way, I prefer to work only on Tuesday so see if you can get that fixed up for me.
09-10-2015 | 08:03 PM
#89
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From: LAX ERA
A note from a doctor is exponentially more complicated? A limited medical release after you have used more than twice the average sick leave of your peers is exponentially more complicated?
Either way, the answer to the question "How much sick leave would you have lost under the TA?" is still "zero." Timbo was just being hysterical as often happens here.
Either way, the answer to the question "How much sick leave would you have lost under the TA?" is still "zero." Timbo was just being hysterical as often happens here.
09-10-2015 | 08:03 PM
#90
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