"Voluntarily."

Probably the most important word of you post.


Under C2012 -- Pilots voluntarily pay money to verify their illnesses to keep away from the maximum limit before a doctors verification is mandated.


Under failed TA2015 -- Pilots would have voluntarily worked while sick to keep away from the maximum limit.


I prefer C2012.

RMMD, pilots don't like approaching limits, using up/exhausting something, or mandates. We like extra and will do whatever it takes to have a buffer. It's in our nature.

 

Nice theory. For me, I keep it simple. If I'm sick, I call in sick, and when I'm well, I call in well. The amount of sick leave I have would not have changed.

 

Congratulations, status quo works for you too.

 

From now on, I'm going to read your posts out loud and use my Cylon from BattleStar Galactica voice.

 

"We are reviewing one of your sick calls there and will just need to hold your pay while we investigate.

It might take a while to get to it but don't worry, we will pay you if we find your sick call legitimate. Please see your supervisor if you have questions and allow six to nine weeks for us to investigate and six weeks to process your pay claim."


"Rockymtnmaddog, we have investigated your sick claim on rotation #### on ####### and feel we need to have more information concerning your: bad case of the Hershey squirts.

Please see our Doctor ######## to verify that on ####### that you had a: bad case of the Hershey squirts. "


"Dear Rockymtnmaddog, we understand that you have lodged a complaint about having to see a Company Doctor for an illness you had 4 months ago. Since we have not been able to verify your claim we cannot pay you for your sick leave. Your pay is on hold until our medical staff can verify that you were indeed sick. Please see your supervisor for an explanation of the contract, thank you."

"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."

"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."

"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."

"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."

"We have changed vendors. Please resubmit your QHCP certificate forms for review and allow six weeks for processing."

"We have misplaced your original QHCP certificate, as a reminder if you want to get paid please resubmit the form using a QHCP as soon as possible."

A medical beaucracy, I'm sure that was on everyone's contact survey.

 

Going to one of those was expressly prohibited in NA15. Thank goodness we voted it down.

It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful, to see guys like you twist themselves into pretzels to somehow rationalize the insane for some loose change from RA's pocket. Lint and all.

If you need the money badly, you could always get a second job. Then you wouldn't have to hose the rest of us.

You could rent a Frozen princess costume and hustle tourists in Times Square on NYC layovers. I bet Mullis would go halves with you.

 

So now pilots will be flying sick because "we do whatever it takes to have a buffer"?

Throwaway one-liners like that might make for entertainment on internet message boards, but don't get anywhere in real negotiations.

 

Herk,

The whole, "We must fall down in the face of anything management demands" act is getting old.

In real negotiations, if you make the assessment I made, all you do is put a "no" in front of your statement and then move on, Orc come up with a counter proposal. If it's something major, you walk away. It would start off something like this:

No. We aren't agreeing to that, because it will cause our pilots to fly sick, because we do whatever it takes to have a buffer."

Are you another one who underestimates us "regular pilots?" A few of us might know a thing, or two about "real negotiations."

 

I'm not sure what your point is. It was your line, not mine that said "we will do what it takes to keep a buffer; it is in our nature."

Those one-liners sound good over a beer at the layover (hell, I probably spout them off all the time myself). They just don't go anywhere in negotiations.

No we don't fall for everything mgmt throws our way. Read my earlier post regarding how mgmt just demanded changes in sick leave with a bunch of data but didn't really explain how they got it, why they even continue to want our current style sick program, how our senior mgmt has long obsessed about sick leave use (far earlier than current negotiatings) etc.

Maybe that is why I voted against the TA. However when others discount a decent pay raise (and that is what it was; had we passed the TA your pay rates would have been nearly 15% higher on the amendable date) as "pocket change" and are more concerned about a nickel per diem and ignore tens of thousands of more dollars in your paycheck, then I wonder what is truly important to the internet crowd.

As I no doubt have stated before, it sometimes reminds me of an old Marlon Brando movie when he was leading a motorcycle street gang. "What are you against, Jonny?" some gal asked him. "Whaddaya got?" was his reply.

 

[QUOTE=Purple Drank;1970743]Going to one of those was expressly prohibited in NA15. Thank goodness we voted it down.

It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.