Originally Posted by orvil

We are left with trying to understand the Company's problem. We don't have complete information because they didn't provide and DALPA didn't ask for historic data. By historic, I mean more than 10 years.

Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog

There is no disparity Denny. A minority is less than half by definition. A minority of us (likely a small minority) abuse sick leave.

The "huge" spike is another metric of one time compared to another as well as the increase in the size of the minority.

As stated in Negotiators Notepad 15-04:

"ALPA reviewed the Company’s data and then conducted an independent analysis of sick leave usage at Delta and around the industry. That data showed that sick leave usage at Delta has increased about 30% since 2012. The statistics also showed that a small number of pilots, about 20%, use over 50% of the sick leave hours. In addition, this group of high users has dramatically grown in size since 2012.The data, however, showed no statistical difference that could explain the increased usage. Some of the categories we looked at were age, seniority, base, aircraft, international versus domestic, and captain versus first officer."

We can pretend guys don't abuse sick leave, and we can pretend that the increases are due to how hard we work and spring allergies and a bunch of other self-serving justifications. Or we can admit that some of us lack the integrity to go to work when we are well and instead call in sick when we are not.

I've had low sick leave years and I have had high sick leave years, but I don;t worry about it in either case because I know that when I call in sick, I am sick.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

We can also say deal with it yourself if you believe there is abuse. ALPA will be on the pilots side of the table during the meetings too. Right? They have a fiduciary duty to the pilots to advocate on their behalf, like it or not.

Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog

I agree with you last point. As to your first, what would be acceptable to you personally in terms of the company dealing with the abuse. How do they identify them, and how should they deal with them.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

By the customary means afforded them in the PWA. Unless of course they can't prove abuse, then the pilots are just exercising their rights in the PWA. I am not interested in persecuting fellow pilots, I'd rather defend them. The company has many resources to accomplish their objectives.

Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog

I am not the least bit interested in persecuting innocent pilots, but neither am I interested in protecting those with no integrity.

Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog

I am not the least bit interested in persecuting innocent pilots, but neither am I interested in protecting those with no integrity.

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

RockyMtMD,

That certainly is a righteous and admirably position to take. Bravo.

Since we're on the subject of integrity and it's role in PWA interpretation, I have a question:

Let's say a provision was agreed to in a legal contract by a party and said party then violates that provision for four years with no demonstrable intention to bring themselves into compliance. Would you say that demonstrates the kind of integrity you stand for?

Originally Posted by notEnuf

That is your flaw. You assume you have the right to judge others actions, you do not. If their actions are questionable that is for management to determine and prove. I am sure your actions are completely honorable in all cases, but I hope you are never misjudged unfairly and need an advocate. Health and the legal responsibility we all have to self evaluate should be an individual decision made in the moment by the pilot and no other.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

That is your flaw. You assume you have the right to judge others actions, you do not. If their actions are questionable that is for management to determine and prove. I am sure your actions are completely honorable in all cases, but I hope you are never misjudged unfairly and need an advocate. Health and the legal responsibility we all have to self evaluate should be an individual decision made in the moment by the pilot and no other.