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09-14-2015 | 09:47 AM
#201
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Because they believe a significant number of pilots "banked" their 100 unverified hours of sick leave and then used that bank at the end of the sick leave year as free time off. They believe the changes would have decreased this behavior.
09-14-2015 | 09:50 AM
#202
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Is this what is defined as abuse? 100 hours unverified is within the contract. In the bases where we have 4 seasonal changes a year people tend to get sick more often. May is one of the worst months. You can go skiing and swimming during that month, I've done it. Not to mention MIA layovers followed by BZN. Change it to expire on your anniversary date then, not rewrite the entire section to be more punitive. This is an invented productivity issue.
09-14-2015 | 09:51 AM
#203
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You mad.
And you missed the important part, not getting paid while this all gets sorted out.
Just flew with a guy who is in month there if trying to get a simple dental claim issue settled for one of his kids. He has to go through the union who referred to the benefits people at Delta as those idiots.
But you would like to trust them to verify your medical records. Or is this not an issue because you don't fly the line? Maybe I get you now.
And you missed the important part, not getting paid while this all gets sorted out.
Just flew with a guy who is in month there if trying to get a simple dental claim issue settled for one of his kids. He has to go through the union who referred to the benefits people at Delta as those idiots.
But you would like to trust them to verify your medical records. Or is this not an issue because you don't fly the line? Maybe I get you now.
09-14-2015 | 09:56 AM
#204
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Changing the effective date does not address the behavior. It only masks it. For some reason, management expects us to not call in sick when we aren't.
09-14-2015 | 09:59 AM
#205
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If we truly were all saints, then no one would call in sick, unless they truly were, no matter how good or bad the contract.
I also realize that there is a real world out there and sometimes mgmt forgets that.
09-14-2015 | 10:07 AM
#206
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These hypothetical changes might have, but shouldn't have. How many times have you read how we have no sick leave abuse anywhere ever, how dare the company suggest it, and therefore we need not change anything? If a hypothetical pilot flew sick just to avoid a certain sick usage threshold, then that would be on him not the company, DALPA, or the (hypothetical) contract.
If we truly were all saints, then no one would call in sick, unless they truly were, no matter how good or bad the contract.
I also realize that there is a real world out there and sometimes mgmt forgets that.
If we truly were all saints, then no one would call in sick, unless they truly were, no matter how good or bad the contract.
I also realize that there is a real world out there and sometimes mgmt forgets that.
Do you believe that the changes the TA would have made to our sick leave policy would have caused some pilots to gone to work when, otherwise they wouldn't have?
09-14-2015 | 10:13 AM
#207
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Wrong! You did not even understand the terms of the agreement you voted against!!
The TA changed the term "doctor" to "Qualified Health Care Professional" and added A.P.R.N. and P.A. - C to the list. A.P.R.N. is an Advance Practice Registered Nurse (commonly referred to as a Nurse Practitioner) and P.A. - C is a "Physician's Assistant - Certified."
The TA changed the term "doctor" to "Qualified Health Care Professional" and added A.P.R.N. and P.A. - C to the list. A.P.R.N. is an Advance Practice Registered Nurse (commonly referred to as a Nurse Practitioner) and P.A. - C is a "Physician's Assistant - Certified."
Did you happen to "verify" the definition of QHCP? Of course not. In NA15, it was defined as:
Qualified health care professional (QHCP)” means a medical professional appropriately licensed or credentialed with whom a pilot has a bona fide patient relationship and who holds one of the following degrees:
But I forgot. You and your clown posse are "we don't think they'd do that" kind of guy.
You were saying something...was it "you did not even understand the terms of the agreement you voted against!!" Oops.
Any luck finding that Frozen princess costume to rent? Be sure to get it dry cleaned before you wear it.
09-14-2015 | 10:14 AM
#208
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I thought May was the problem. I think that is what we are doing, calling in sick when sick, well when well. You are too quick to post a reply, or I put too much thought into it. I edited my above post for context.
Last edited by notEnuf; 09-14-2015 at 10:25 AM.
09-14-2015 | 10:18 AM
#209
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Did you happen to "verify" the definition of QHCP? Of course not. In NA15, it was defined as:
The company wanted that specifically so they (or Sedgwick) could deny your sick verification if you went to a local doc-in-the-box.
But I forgot. You and your clown posse are "we don't think they'd do that" kind of guy.
You were saying something about "not understanding" the dead TA you voted for...?
Good luck with everything.
The company wanted that specifically so they (or Sedgwick) could deny your sick verification if you went to a local doc-in-the-box.
But I forgot. You and your clown posse are "we don't think they'd do that" kind of guy.
You were saying something about "not understanding" the dead TA you voted for...?
Good luck with everything.
09-14-2015 | 10:24 AM
#210
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I read your edited post. Thanks for pointing it out. As was pointed out in the road shows by one of the negotiators, a huge rainstorm must sweep over the country every May 31 and wipe away all the pollen and germs, because on June 1 of every year, the sick leave rate drops off a cliff. I don't believe the company has a problem with it being May. They just have a problem that it happens at all. As they pointed out at the roadshow, the same charts could be drawn using employment month rather than calendar month.
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