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47.93%
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Poll: Who wanted a TA more?
09-14-2015 | 05:11 AM
#191
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It's amazing the amount of time and effort you guys spend rationalizing the reason to give away benefits. Every section of the contract has been carved away in some form, and the last, sick leave is now under attack. This is just Round 2 of the sick leave section attack. In 2011, you called in sick and called in well. With you guys in charge, in 2018, we'll be paying the company from from an a HSA when we're sick. Don't you see where this is leading? There will be no stop to what you're willing to give to help.
09-14-2015 | 05:42 AM
#192
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It's amazing the amount of time and effort you guys spend rationalizing the reason to give away benefits. Every section of the contract has been carved away in some form, and the last, sick leave is now under attack. This is just Round 2 of the sick leave section attack. In 2011, you called in sick and called in well. With you guys in charge, in 2018, we'll be paying the company from from an a HSA when we're sick. Don't you see where this is leading? There will be no stop to what you're willing to give to help.
Senior mgmt to company negotiators, circa 2012.
"In C2008 we had a 75% pay sick balance, and a max of 240 hours sick leave for the senior guys. Now you knuckleheads conceded getting rid of the 75% pay hours, and you gave the most senior guys 30 more hours of sick leave. What were you thinking?"
See , that can be played both sides.
And I won't vote for a TA absent an enthusiastic endorsement from the entire MEC. The "meh, we'll let the pilots vote on this marginal agreement" approach was a clear failure.
09-14-2015 | 06:07 AM
#193
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"We are reviewing one of your sick calls there and will just need to hold your pay while we investigate.
It might take a while to get to it but don't worry, we will pay you if we find your sick call legitimate. Please see your supervisor if you have questions and allow six to nine weeks for us to investigate and six weeks to process your pay claim."
"Rockymtnmaddog, we have investigated your sick claim on rotation #### on ####### and feel we need to have more information concerning your: bad case of the Hershey squirts.
Please see our Doctor ######## to verify that on ####### that you had a: bad case of the Hershey squirts. "
"Dear Rockymtnmaddog, we understand that you have lodged a complaint about having to see a Company Doctor for an illness you had 4 months ago. Since we have not been able to verify your claim we cannot pay you for your sick leave. Your pay is on hold until our medical staff can verify that you were indeed sick. Please see your supervisor for an explanation of the contract, thank you."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"We have changed vendors. Please resubmit your QHCP certificate forms for review and allow six weeks for processing."
"We have misplaced your original QHCP certificate, as a reminder if you want to get paid please resubmit the form using a QHCP as soon as possible."
A medical beaucracy, I'm sure that was on everyone's contact survey.
It might take a while to get to it but don't worry, we will pay you if we find your sick call legitimate. Please see your supervisor if you have questions and allow six to nine weeks for us to investigate and six weeks to process your pay claim."
"Rockymtnmaddog, we have investigated your sick claim on rotation #### on ####### and feel we need to have more information concerning your: bad case of the Hershey squirts.
Please see our Doctor ######## to verify that on ####### that you had a: bad case of the Hershey squirts. "
"Dear Rockymtnmaddog, we understand that you have lodged a complaint about having to see a Company Doctor for an illness you had 4 months ago. Since we have not been able to verify your claim we cannot pay you for your sick leave. Your pay is on hold until our medical staff can verify that you were indeed sick. Please see your supervisor for an explanation of the contract, thank you."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"Thank you for contacting us your claim is in process."
"We have changed vendors. Please resubmit your QHCP certificate forms for review and allow six weeks for processing."
"We have misplaced your original QHCP certificate, as a reminder if you want to get paid please resubmit the form using a QHCP as soon as possible."
A medical beaucracy, I'm sure that was on everyone's contact survey.
So save the silly scare tactics for your "scared for lunch bunch," because anyone who paid attention to the information provided knows that you are full of hot air. How do you get out of bed in such a scary world?
09-14-2015 | 06:22 AM
#194
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Going to one of those was expressly prohibited in NA15. Thank goodness we voted it down.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful, to see guys like you twist themselves into pretzels to somehow rationalize the insane for some loose change from RA's pocket. Lint and all.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful, to see guys like you twist themselves into pretzels to somehow rationalize the insane for some loose change from RA's pocket. Lint and all.
The TA changed the term "doctor" to "Qualified Health Care Professional" and added A.P.R.N. and P.A. - C to the list. A.P.R.N. is an Advance Practice Registered Nurse (commonly referred to as a Nurse Practitioner) and P.A. - C is a "Physician's Assistant - Certified."
A 30-second Google search of the CVS Minute Clinic reveals:
Our practitioners deliver the care your family needs
The best health care comes from practitioners who are thoughtful, compassionate and, above all, qualified.
Our Master's-prepared nurse practitioners and physician assistants possess the licenses, certifications and clinical experience necessary to provide effective treatment for adults and children.*
Both nurse practitioners and physician assistants are qualified to:
Diagnose and treat common illnesses, injuries and skin conditions
Administer vaccinations, screenings and physicals
Prescribe medication
Obtain medical histories
Perform physical assessments and examinations
Perform and interpret diagnostic and laboratory studies
Counsel and coach patients on health, lifestyle modifications and nutrition
Screen and direct patients to other health care providers
Provide patient education and recommendations
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful, to see guys like you twist themselves into pretzels as a result of ignorance and fear. It's ok to get out of bed now PD. The world is not as scary as you fear.
09-14-2015 | 06:28 AM
#195
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[QUOTE=sailingfun;1970777]
Finally, someone who read the agreement. I understand you voted against it. I respect your vote because it was an informed vote. I can't say the same to others who appear to have relied on facebook and message boards to make their decisions.
Going to one of those was expressly prohibited in NA15. Thank goodness we voted it down.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
09-14-2015 | 06:42 AM
#196
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I'm not sure what your point is. It was your line, not mine that said "we will do what it takes to keep a buffer; it is in our nature."
Those one-liners sound good over a beer at the layover (hell, I probably spout them off all the time myself). They just don't go anywhere in negotiations.
No we don't fall for everything mgmt throws our way. Read my earlier post regarding how mgmt just demanded changes in sick leave with a bunch of data but didn't really explain how they got it, why they even continue to want our current style sick program, how our senior mgmt has long obsessed about sick leave use (far earlier than current negotiatings) etc.
Maybe that is why I voted against the TA. However when others discount a decent pay raise (and that is what it was; had we passed the TA your pay rates would have been nearly 15% higher on the amendable date) as "pocket change" and are more concerned about a nickel per diem and ignore tens of thousands of more dollars in your paycheck, then I wonder what is truly important to the internet crowd.
As I no doubt have stated before, it sometimes reminds me of an old Marlon Brando movie when he was leading a motorcycle street gang. "What are you against, Jonny?" some gal asked him. "Whaddaya got?" was his reply.
Those one-liners sound good over a beer at the layover (hell, I probably spout them off all the time myself). They just don't go anywhere in negotiations.
No we don't fall for everything mgmt throws our way. Read my earlier post regarding how mgmt just demanded changes in sick leave with a bunch of data but didn't really explain how they got it, why they even continue to want our current style sick program, how our senior mgmt has long obsessed about sick leave use (far earlier than current negotiatings) etc.
Maybe that is why I voted against the TA. However when others discount a decent pay raise (and that is what it was; had we passed the TA your pay rates would have been nearly 15% higher on the amendable date) as "pocket change" and are more concerned about a nickel per diem and ignore tens of thousands of more dollars in your paycheck, then I wonder what is truly important to the internet crowd.
As I no doubt have stated before, it sometimes reminds me of an old Marlon Brando movie when he was leading a motorcycle street gang. "What are you against, Jonny?" some gal asked him. "Whaddaya got?" was his reply.
09-14-2015 | 07:12 AM
#197
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It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
I had absolutely no problems with what you say above. My concern was who was the vendor who was going processed the sick leaves was going to be. That was never specified, and why I voted no.
The process needs to be simple, for simple guys like me
Ferd
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09-14-2015 | 07:22 AM
#198
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[QUOTE=sailingfun;1970777]
This also fascinates and entertains me.
If the rewrite of the sick leave amounts to no appreciable change, then why bother with the risk of correcting a problem that either doesn't exist or has no appreciable impact and alienates good pilots. The only thing I can come up with is they are really trying to solve a growing productivity issue.
Going to one of those was expressly prohibited in NA15. Thank goodness we voted it down.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
It is fascinating and entertaining, yet pitiful to see you complain so much about a contract it appears you never read.
The requirement for a DR to verify a illness was removed and APRN's and PA's were added to the list of approved sources for verification to allow you to go to the type of clinics mentioned. It's in the very first paragraph of the sick section. Nothing was removed or prohibited for verification in TA15 except friends and family and online clinics.
If the rewrite of the sick leave amounts to no appreciable change, then why bother with the risk of correcting a problem that either doesn't exist or has no appreciable impact and alienates good pilots. The only thing I can come up with is they are really trying to solve a growing productivity issue.
09-14-2015 | 07:36 AM
#199
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You need to grow some stones if you are that afraid of life. Let me make it as simple as I can make it for timid scaredy cats like you. The standards for the use of sick leave would not have changed. The verification information required would not have changed. The fact that it was a "verification" and not an "approval" would not have changed. The only thing that would have changed in the actual verification process would have been that the verifier was a medical professional rather than some guy that Steve Dickson hired to enter the data into a spreadsheet.<br />
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So save the silly scare tactics for your "scared for lunch bunch," because anyone who paid attention to the information provided knows that you are full of hot air. How do you get out of bed in such a scary world?
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So save the silly scare tactics for your "scared for lunch bunch," because anyone who paid attention to the information provided knows that you are full of hot air. How do you get out of bed in such a scary world?
And you missed the important part, not getting paid while this all gets sorted out.
Just flew with a guy who is in month there if trying to get a simple dental claim issue settled for one of his kids. He has to go through the union who referred to the benefits people at Delta as those idiots.
But you would like to trust them to verify your medical records. Or is this not an issue because you don't fly the line? Maybe I get you now.
09-14-2015 | 08:38 AM
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You need to grow some stones if you are that afraid of life. Let me make it as simple as I can make it for timid scaredy cats like you. The standards for the use of sick leave would not have changed. The verification information required would not have changed. The fact that it was a "verification" and not an "approval" would not have changed. The only thing that would have changed in the actual verification process would have been that the verifier was a medical professional rather than some guy that Steve Dickson hired to enter the data into a spreadsheet.
So save the silly scare tactics for your "scared for lunch bunch," because anyone who paid attention to the information provided knows that you are full of hot air. How do you get out of bed in such a scary world?
So save the silly scare tactics for your "scared for lunch bunch," because anyone who paid attention to the information provided knows that you are full of hot air. How do you get out of bed in such a scary world?
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