Explain to me why you have the right to judge my actions or vice versa. My health and my families health is none of your concern.

My standard of "airworthiness" is defined by the FAA. I was taught the IMSAFE acronym, how I apply it may be different than you. Does that mean one or the other is an abuser? This is similar to the statistic anomaly that airplanes have problems at maintenance stations more often than outstations, and hardly ever on the last leg of a trip. Is there a subjective standard or is that abuse too?

 

Is there a chance that one of our honorable pilots could have an extended sick leave absence, (back issues, meningitis, broken arm, etc.) and use up all 15 days of his proposed sick leave under TA2015, and then possibly have a minor illness down the road like diarrhea or a cold?

Under the proposed sick leave policy said pilot would have to go see his PCP who might be out of the office for the weekend. He certainly couldn't visit an urgent care unit. Now that pilot is going to have spend his own money to visit a doctor two days later just to beg for a doctors note to verify that he had the craps two days ago. He could either do that or possibly be subject to pay loss and/or disciplinary action. Would you agree that there's a good chance that at least one pilot might feel intimated by that and just go to work instead? In my opinion, if that kind of situation happened to even one of our pilots, that would be one too many.

I get it though, you're upset about not getting a pay raise. We all are, but I'm certainly not going to subject our honorable pilots to such a dishonorable policy for it.

 

PD...I have suspected for a while that part of RA's long term strategy is to slowly bust the pilot's union at Delta. If so, he's off to a pretty good start.

 

Dude, I agree that's what he wanted but I think he screwed up and went too fast. Now he has some guys standing up and demanding a union. The interesting thing is the guys in our "Union" are against this. Can anyone explain why some guys are so upset about pilots wanting to restore the profession?

 

Because some of those guys have been riding the Gravy Train for years, getting paid 89+ hours at -what they can hold- while NEVER having to commute to JFK in January to actually FLY what they are being paid!

They've been sleeping in their own beds every night, getting weekends and holidays off, sucking on the DALPA teat while going to meetings with management, and having lunches and dinner with management, they forgot who they are supposed to Represent.

Their gravy train just crashed into a wall, now they are actually going to have to go fly the line! God help them.

 

He could go to his doc as you describe. Or he could go to the nearest drug store like CVS or Kroger to their in-house clinic, pay $25 to get a note from a nurse-practitioner, and be done with it. Meanwhile, he'd have tens of thousands extra in his pocket every year to help offset that burdensome $25.

Call in sick when sick, and call in well when well.

First world problem.

 

4000 pilots would have been affected by the sick leave grab.

That's a third of the list.

So using your logic, either 4,000 guys are abusing sick leave...or you're "persecuting innocent pilots."

Which is it.

 

Agreed. That's what we are doing now. I call in sick when I decide I am sick and you call in sick when you decide you are sick.

Management deals with those who's sickness they question. What's the problem? Productivity going forward due to poor staffing? LCA trip pulls, sick leave, seat locks, no credit for increased vacation etc.

How can we have a HUGE sick abuse problem and say this to wall street?

•Investments in network, products, and services in addition to highly motivated employees drive Delta’s industry leading operational reliability, customer satisfaction and 15% domestic unit revenue premium

 

Are you really having trouble understanding this? Thousands of pilots voluntarily pay money out of their own pockets right now to voluntarily verify their illnesses. Under the agreement that was rejected, pilots would have had to wait to verify. If you think that's persecution (a term suggested by notEnuf), I'd suggest you've led a pretty sheltered life.

 

I think we're done with this guy except for entertainment purposes.

Sorry bro. You're back on the line.