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Poll: Who wanted a TA more?
09-12-2015 | 09:21 AM
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09-12-2015 | 09:47 AM
#152
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But Auburn is losing to Jax State?
09-12-2015 | 10:09 AM
#153
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The same way a handful of people committing insurance fraud sway the numbers for the overall covered pool.
I think that is a good question. Here are the important questions I think need to be asked--both to mgmt and our reps, but especially of mgmt.
1. Our sick leave policy is significantly different than the rest of the industry. We get a whole lot more hours each year, but none of the unused portions carry over. That is both good and bad, depending on circumstance, but why has DAL always wanted that sort of system?
2. How do we compare to other airlines in sick leave usage and "abuse?" What is the data? How does mgmt get the numbers from other airlines in the first place (surely that must be proprietary) and how trustworthy are those numbers?
3. Will mgmt (and our reps) acknowledge that at least some of the increase in sick use is that guys are no longer flying questionably sick? I myself have been guilty of that in the past. "I'll tough it out." "I can't call in sick on short notice, I'm hosing a SC reserve at 0500." (I actually did that once when I woke at 0300 for an early show, coughed and knew I felt like crap. I should have sicked out that second, but did not. I ended up sicking out mid-trip and no doubt got the captain sick as well. I did no one--including Delta Air Lines--any favors. That doesn't happen any more).
4. How much of the mgmt push for a change to sick leave policy is due to actual harm, and how much just because our current SVP is philosophically consumed with the issue? (in one of his first weekly messages years ago he sang the praises of a couple of guys who had gone an entire career without ever calling in sick; he was as consumed with the "real men don't call in sick" philosophy then as he is now).
5. What is the actual reduced profit numbers associated with the spike in sick leave use? I've never heard any. Only "sick use in on the rise." Ok, if true, how much did that cost the company, and in what ways?
Have I rambled long enough?
I think that is a good question. Here are the important questions I think need to be asked--both to mgmt and our reps, but especially of mgmt.
1. Our sick leave policy is significantly different than the rest of the industry. We get a whole lot more hours each year, but none of the unused portions carry over. That is both good and bad, depending on circumstance, but why has DAL always wanted that sort of system?
2. How do we compare to other airlines in sick leave usage and "abuse?" What is the data? How does mgmt get the numbers from other airlines in the first place (surely that must be proprietary) and how trustworthy are those numbers?
3. Will mgmt (and our reps) acknowledge that at least some of the increase in sick use is that guys are no longer flying questionably sick? I myself have been guilty of that in the past. "I'll tough it out." "I can't call in sick on short notice, I'm hosing a SC reserve at 0500." (I actually did that once when I woke at 0300 for an early show, coughed and knew I felt like crap. I should have sicked out that second, but did not. I ended up sicking out mid-trip and no doubt got the captain sick as well. I did no one--including Delta Air Lines--any favors. That doesn't happen any more).
4. How much of the mgmt push for a change to sick leave policy is due to actual harm, and how much just because our current SVP is philosophically consumed with the issue? (in one of his first weekly messages years ago he sang the praises of a couple of guys who had gone an entire career without ever calling in sick; he was as consumed with the "real men don't call in sick" philosophy then as he is now).
5. What is the actual reduced profit numbers associated with the spike in sick leave use? I've never heard any. Only "sick use in on the rise." Ok, if true, how much did that cost the company, and in what ways?
Have I rambled long enough?
Yes.
No. Just kidding. Good post. I think management is caught in a catch 22. If they wanted to stop people to stop calling in sick then well to fly greenslips, they and the union could get together and outlaw the practice. But, they need people to fly, even if they are "abusing" sick usage.
09-12-2015 | 02:21 PM
#154
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More pay, less (or no) concessions in this economic environment.
09-13-2015 | 07:34 AM
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Why are the DALPA drones still arguing about FTA 15? It's over and done with. The recalls are over and done with. Are they planning to bring back the same POS? What are they trying to prove, who are they trying to convince?
09-13-2015 | 11:28 AM
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Does everyone who works at alpa national get a pension? Maybe that's what it is? Some sort of a golden pot in Herndon.
09-13-2015 | 11:49 AM
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09-13-2015 | 12:56 PM
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This is from the ALPA site:
Welcome to our Career Opportunities site!
ALPA offers competitive salaries with excellent benefits, including:
- 26 days paid vacation and holidays per year;
- Generous sick and bereavement leave;
- Generous health care benefits – PPO, two HMO’s (where available) and a High Deductible Health Plan which includes coverage for medical, dental, and vision benefits for employee, spouse, and/or dependent children;
- Company-paid premiums for disability and life insurance;
- $2 for $1 matching 401(k) retirement savings plan; Roth 401(k);
- Flexible Spending and Health Savings accounts; and
- Retiree health plan.
More than half of our employees have been here ten years or more.
Over 50% of our opportunities are filled by current employees or by employee referrals.
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09-13-2015 | 01:19 PM
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The "huge" spike is another metric of one time compared to another as well as the increase in the size of the minority.
As stated in Negotiators Notepad 15-04:
"ALPA reviewed the Company’s data and then conducted an independent analysis of sick leave usage at Delta and around the industry. That data showed that sick leave usage at Delta has increased about 30% since 2012. The statistics also showed that a small number of pilots, about 20%, use over 50% of the sick leave hours. In addition, this group of high users has dramatically grown in size since 2012.The data, however, showed no statistical difference that could explain the increased usage. Some of the categories we looked at were age, seniority, base, aircraft, international versus domestic, and captain versus first officer."
We can pretend guys don't abuse sick leave, and we can pretend that the increases are due to how hard we work and spring allergies and a bunch of other self-serving justifications. Or we can admit that some of us lack the integrity to go to work when we are well and instead call in sick when we are not.
I've had low sick leave years and I have had high sick leave years, but I don;t worry about it in either case because I know that when I call in sick, I am sick.
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