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Old 10-23-2015 | 07:53 PM
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If he goes way back he will find some amazing posts about The newk.

And I'll never forget your post "what the heck was going on last night????"

(Not an exact quote)
Ha. You might have to refresh my memory with that one. I say that a lot about this place!
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Old 10-23-2015 | 07:55 PM
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Doing good, trying to get over my GS addiction!
Very good, sir. I heard you have to ween yourself off of them -- very, very slowly.


I hope all is well with your family, too.
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Old 10-23-2015 | 07:56 PM
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I met NewK the other day. I immediately relinquished my Chuck Norris fan club membership, as clearly, Chuck had been surpassed.

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No way. You are the one. Hat's off to you.

(Yes. I wear mine. It covers my grey hair.)
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Old 10-26-2015 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
First, I am behind this resolution 100% and hope the other Council's take up similar resolutions.

With that being said, it is EXTREMELY difficult for someone (labor group/union) to prove "intent" or "intentional acts" for the sole purpose of "influencing negotiations".

Again, I hope this gains momentum, but won't be 'counting checks before they're cashed' on this resolution.

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Here's proof of intent. The changes in non-contract compensation have 3 effective dates, the only one that applies to our contract is the raise they will be getting.

January 1, 2015 and additional 1% is added to 401K contributions.

January 1, 2015 the new profit sharing formula takes affect.

December 1, 2015 pay raises take affect.

Why are the pay raises the only change effective December 1, 2015?

Here's their answer, does it make any sense at all?

2) Why are we giving the pay increase on December 1, 2015 instead of waiting until April 2016?
Restructuring our compensation program in response to employee requests for more income in base pay has been contemplated for many months as a result of Delta’s impressive financial performance. The December 1 effective date also provides employees with the 14.5% base pay increase prior to the first profit sharing performance period (starting Jan 1, 2016) that will be based on the new formula.
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Old 10-26-2015 | 09:23 AM
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There is no need for alarm. We will be getting a raise. Several reps promised us during the ratification that "any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." We should be getting that raise December 1st.
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Old 10-26-2015 | 09:52 AM
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There is no need for alarm. We will be getting a raise. Several reps promised us during the ratification that "any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." We should be getting that raise December 1st.
The only thing I'm alarmed about is the fact that some can't see the deliberate bad faith the company is acting with. I don't care who or how many times they told me this would or wouldn't happen. Until it does it's only a threat, we don't respond well to threats. Take your appeasement of these actions elsewhere, we aren't interested.

The company's circumvention is the point. If they have no respect for the spirit and intent of the contract then why should we? I'll say it again, "I told you we would get screwed is not an answer." The fact that we are is all you need to know about what management thinks you and the contract are worth.

And my reps never said that. They explained that 3.B.4. should increase pay rates in 2016 based on the past precedents.
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Old 10-26-2015 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The only thing I'm alarmed about is the fact that some can't see the deliberate bad faith the company is acting with. I don't care who or how many times they told me this would or wouldn't happen. Until it does it's only a threat, we don't respond well to threats. Take your appeasement of these actions elsewhere, we aren't interested.

The company's circumvention is the point. If they have no respect for the spirit and intent of the contract then why should we? I'll say it again, "I told you we would get screwed is not an answer." The fact that we are is all you need to know about what management thinks you and the contract are worth.

And my reps never said that. They explained that 3.B.4. should increase pay rates in 2016 based on the past precedents.
Appeasement? Circumvention? What are you talking about? It's in our contract. My info comes directly from a July 6, 2015 C66 Special Update signed by no less than 10 reps (2 C66, 3 C20, 2 C54, 1 C108, 2 C1) and it's a direct quote. "Any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." At least 30% of the employees will be getting a pay raise on December 1st, therefore we should be getting one also. These reps vetted their comm and it should be rock solid.
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Old 10-26-2015 | 01:28 PM
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falcon, clearly the company is acting in bad faith and violating status quo.

Why are you working so hard to gloss over the company's lack of integrity?
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Old 10-26-2015 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
Appeasement? Circumvention? What are you talking about? It's in our contract. My info comes directly from a July 6, 2015 C66 Special Update signed by no less than 10 reps (2 C66, 3 C20, 2 C54, 1 C108, 2 C1) and it's a direct quote. "Any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." At least 30% of the employees will be getting a pay raise on December 1st, therefore we should be getting one also. These reps vetted their comm and it should be rock solid.

Falcon,

Not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic here, unfortunately our contract has many loopholes and qualifications in it. The company can and probably very easily will avoid a Pilot pay raise because of these loopholes and qualifications.

The 3B4 concept is very good, but the contractual wording is very poorly written from a Pilots point of view, management probably loves it. Once again a case can be made for professional negotiators.

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Old 10-26-2015 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
Appeasement? Circumvention? What are you talking about? It's in our contract. My info comes directly from a July 6, 2015 C66 Special Update signed by no less than 10 reps (2 C66, 3 C20, 2 C54, 1 C108, 2 C1) and it's a direct quote. "Any raises granted to more than 30% of our fellow employees will be matched for us, up to 3% annually." At least 30% of the employees will be getting a pay raise on December 1st, therefore we should be getting one also. These reps vetted their comm and it should be rock solid.
Your outrage is at the representatives that tried to ensure the MEMRAT resolution was a true endorsement and recommendation and not just a pass. Ok, got it. Not the company for using this raise to circumvent our contract?

That's fine this is about managements lack of respect for the pilots and the contract. I assume you support their actions and are fine with preventing pay raises to the pilot group. That's fine as soon as they give bonuses next year to the majority of employees, wall street will take notice. That doesn't really fit the industrial compensation model and will raise red flags.

I am not willing to let this go unnoticed. The clock is ticking on trust and respect and this does nothing to show proactive engagement works. In fact it does the opposite. They threatened, and then intentionally exploited the language. I guess this gives all the sick leave "abusers" credibility for exploiting loopholes. Cough... cough... I hope I don't come down with some thing.
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