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10-23-2015 | 07:35 PM
#51
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alto
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From: M88
Man I get sick of the smart remarks...I NEVER indicated I want to give up profit sharing, anywhere here. I am fully aware of losing my pension as well. I was saying apples to apples is difficult because we had different items in both deals...
Man you are obtuse.
We had a pension in C2K.
The "profit sharing" was a bone tossed in during the exiting of BK as a sweetener for HANDING OVER our pension.
It was never projected to pay at the levels we now see.
So, now, you want to give it back???
Include it in the restorative numbers???
You' re simply shortsighted and laughable to come here and suggest that.
We had a pension in C2K.
The "profit sharing" was a bone tossed in during the exiting of BK as a sweetener for HANDING OVER our pension.
It was never projected to pay at the levels we now see.
So, now, you want to give it back???
Include it in the restorative numbers???
You' re simply shortsighted and laughable to come here and suggest that.
10-23-2015 | 07:35 PM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
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I'm guessing you're negotiating against us. Just trying to figure out what you need to get the magic 51 percent to vote yes.
Read the entire thread to see what the pilots demand as fair compensation.
10-23-2015 | 07:38 PM
#53
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alto
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From: M88
Perceptive is young Skywalker...I am management.
YGBSM
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You come across as a management or Dalpa troll fishing for the 51 percent number to get the next TA to pass. Sorry, but you should know by now that we don't announce the results of surveys around here because it damages our negotiating position with the company. (Tic) so to answer your question....Restoration.....and we will know it when we see it. No sales job required. Your welcome.
10-23-2015 | 07:43 PM
#55
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Joined: Mar 2015
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
...and leave profit sharing alone, and leave FO seniority alone, and leave ALV alone, and leave scope alone, and any other concession you may come up with.
But that's not the answer you want because that sounds to much like RESTORATION.
10-23-2015 | 07:46 PM
#56
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alto
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: M88
I guess we are hiring children now. It was a simple question about what the average guy actually wants to see. I have never seen people read so much into a simple question. ALPA doesn't think it's owners are entitled to see survey our results even after the fact. Plus we couldn't possibly have ruined ALPA's strategy by "tipping our hand" I mean look where their "strategy" has left us currently...
10-24-2015 | 12:14 AM
#57
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From: Kickin’ Back
10-24-2015 | 08:51 AM
#59
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Actually, you haven't "lost" anything because that $8k plus 401(k) contributions were never "yours" to begin with. It only becomes yours when the majority of your fellow pilots accept the contractual offer put forth by the company.
10-24-2015 | 10:12 AM
#60
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From: 767 Capt.
We all have our own numbers and as a group, the NC has that info via the pre TA survey. The 65% no vote on NA15 substantiated that data, as the contract was short of the survey results and it was voted down. Personally, I have enough patience to wait 2-3 years for what I consider a fair contract. During that time, I will be saving every profit sharing check and building my personal strike fund.
In a nutshell, here is your answer
RESTORATION of pay rates to pre bankruptcy rates.
Leave all concessions out of our work rules.
RESTORATION of the value of vacation.
Adjust per diem to GSA published rates
RESTORATION of pay for training events.
The company pays for training inefficiency associated with a diverse fleet.
Back to the operating room, I have a rocket waiting...
In a nutshell, here is your answer
RESTORATION of pay rates to pre bankruptcy rates.
Leave all concessions out of our work rules.
RESTORATION of the value of vacation.
Adjust per diem to GSA published rates
RESTORATION of pay for training events.
The company pays for training inefficiency associated with a diverse fleet.
Back to the operating room, I have a rocket waiting...
