Is Delta a Dead end Career?
04-28-2016 | 10:50 AM
#31
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To be honest I really actually don't care about flying a widebody internationally. I got my fix of that flying MD-11's in the ACMI cargo world. For me it's purely about pay and the 9 day schedule I hear about.
I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?
I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?
04-28-2016 | 10:51 AM
#32
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04-28-2016 | 10:53 AM
#33
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Who knows what future growth will be like, past results will not be indicative of our future. However, it has taken my 10 years to go from 5100 to 10200 on our current list (No, I did not reverse those two). to go as a new hire now 13,000-7400 = about 5600 numbers. If I apply 5600 retirements to my current calculator it says I should be 5400 numbers more senior in the year 2024. Not kidding. In an effort for full disclosure, for me to get to approximately #7600 from where I am now, it will be 2021. Five more years, for a grand total of 15 years to get to mid seniority.
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04-28-2016 | 10:55 AM
#34
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Considering there were 16 airframes and now 9, and for a peak month or two in the summer we fly them hard and then the powers that be say"block hours are up for the summer!" yes, there is some thing rotten in Denmark, or at least Georgia. Feels again like warm yellow rain running down our backs while we are being told that it is raining.
04-28-2016 | 11:31 AM
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Easy, you were under utilizing the airframes. At the road shows flight ops was just a bit upset about the 2017 747 block hour plan. You might have noticed they awarded new bids on the 747 and there may be more to come. They are hurting with only 1 sim.
04-28-2016 | 12:10 PM
#36
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Subscribed. I'm trying to decide if I'm better off staying at Southwest and driving to work or leaving for Delta and commuting for the next 34 years of my life. Moving to a Delta base is not an option.
How long would it take a new hire today to hold the right seat of a wide body and have weekends/most holidays off at Delta? Widebody pay and days off look nice, but weekends and holidays off are more important to me so I'm curious with the lack of WB growth at Delta how long would it take a new hire to see the right and left seat of a WB with a good schedule?
How long would it take a new hire today to hold the right seat of a wide body and have weekends/most holidays off at Delta? Widebody pay and days off look nice, but weekends and holidays off are more important to me so I'm curious with the lack of WB growth at Delta how long would it take a new hire to see the right and left seat of a WB with a good schedule?
SWA has good pay rates now, with an amendable contract and one can only hope that the new contract is better. Right now, I'm having a hard time telling anyone who wants to fly international, that Delta is the best airline. United has a lot of WB airframes and has a better growth potential from the retirement perspective (or so I've been told).
The sky is not falling but you might want to ask why we're losing new hires.
04-28-2016 | 12:50 PM
#38
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To be honest I really actually don't care about flying a widebody internationally. I got my fix of that flying MD-11's in the ACMI cargo world. For me it's purely about pay and the 9 day schedule I hear about.
I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?
I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?
04-28-2016 | 12:56 PM
#39
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If, as you said in another post, you don't want to fly international nor move to a Delta base, why on earth would you leave SWA? You lose seniority to become a commuter for what will effectively become a domestic only airline feeding the great Skyteam (is that kinda like the SkyNet from Terminator?).
SWA has good pay rates now, with an amendable contract and one can only hope that the new contract is better. Right now, I'm having a hard time telling anyone who wants to fly international, that Delta is the best airline. United has a lot of WB airframes and has a better growth potential from the retirement perspective (or so I've been told).
The sky is not falling but you might want to ask why we're losing new hires.
SWA has good pay rates now, with an amendable contract and one can only hope that the new contract is better. Right now, I'm having a hard time telling anyone who wants to fly international, that Delta is the best airline. United has a lot of WB airframes and has a better growth potential from the retirement perspective (or so I've been told).
The sky is not falling but you might want to ask why we're losing new hires.
04-28-2016 | 01:16 PM
#40
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As far as block hour utilization rates, its hard to fly a jet 12 hours to NRT, turn it, and fly 10.5 hours back and get much more out of it. Winter is where the block hours got squirrely, three air frames to fly the Pacific.
We are hurting so badly with one sim, they are leasing our spare time to United! It does limit us to two crews per month though (4 pilots)
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