What,
I heard a quite a few more, like 30. In any event, the business has changed.

Hank

 

Could be the difference is whether you're counting those who started then left or those who declined class.

 

I agree Hank! Those are the numbers I have gotten, ...the other poster seems to be a reincarnation of Sailingfun,in that "all is rosey and the unicorns are all farting rainbows".....And all that mgt does is perfect,,,I bet he used to write PR for Kim Jung Un.
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I am in the school house now. Easy to ask questions. Stuck my head in the door and asked one of the new hire instructors how many have quit. His answer was three. Easy way however to check. Gaps in seniority numbers will tell the tale.
P.S. Aside from the contract issues things are pretty damn good at Delta now. I suspect some of the posters have never seen bad.

Edit My brain is fried from 767 procedures. I forgot that they resequence the numbers monthly. A quick look at Jan hires however showed 64 on the list. As of the 1 Apr list 63 remain. Attrition of exactly one pilot and I believe one pilot was fired so voluntary attrition of zero. Someone else can look up later months. The number 3 sounds good.
2nd edit: I forgot that the total new hire numbers numbers are posted in the pool thread. From 1 Jan to 24 Mar we hired 277 pilots. The 1 Apr seniority list shows 274 remained at that point. Total attrition 3 pilots 1 of whom was fired. The other two unknown.
Those new hire coordinators know some **** don't they!

 

That this thread exists tells the tale.

 

United and American are both better choices if you want to fly international widebodies. They are actually forging new routes on their own metal (ie United 787 to Chengdu). Direct flights cutting out hubs where possible that business travelers want to fly on.

Delta is trying to grow through partners and equity deals continuing the hub and spoke system at places like Beijing and Shanghia.

This is not too far removed from the money losing RJ experiment.... a total bust over the last decade. Delta will give all these airlines information on how to compete only to be cut out of the deal when the Chinese airlines (for example) decide to change the rules, push Delta out and go it alone. Delta will be the equivalent of US troops fighting against soldiers they trained in Iraq. By then more senior management will bail with their golden parachutes while the new set come in to try more experiments at the expense of long term employees. That's my two cents.

 

I've been here just shy of 9 years, Delta south hire. I can NOT hold that, even in NYC. My 767 schedule there would probably be a mix of low paying LHR trips on the weekends and uncommutable domestic trips. Ironically, I can't touch the schedules I had 2008-2010. AF and KLM does that flying now. I can just now hold the 330, mid level reserve in NY, and bottom of the pack in DTW.

 

When I was hired in 1998 guys were telling our class we would be captains in 5 years. 16 years later I still had never been senior enough to hold capt on anything. Now at 18 years, still 8100+ out of 13000. No way to know what the future holds.

 

I had recurrent as a 75/76 domestic FO shortly after the PanAm merger was announced. Someone from the head shed came by to blow sunshine up our skirts by telling us about the massive growth on which we were about to embark. Said this time next year you wont be FOs! Sweet! He was right, one year later, I had been displaced back to the panel.

 

Yes it is. You should quit