Is Delta a Dead end Career?
05-02-2016 | 12:33 PM
#141
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I don't see how we are going to see any significant loss of jobs. There will be a net reduction of pilots floating in trainign cycles. But I don't think it will be that significant. But getting our workhorse A330/765/7ER pay to go up will be a massive upgrade.
We have 27 B777s+ B747s.
We have 120 B765+330+767-300S.
05-02-2016 | 01:36 PM
#142
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From: A350 Both
Because there are too many people in this group that still believe in the idiotic productivity mantra.
05-02-2016 | 02:10 PM
#143
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Why would uber senior pilots not support it? Their B777/B744 payscale will drop to align with the banding.
I don't see how we are going to see any significant loss of jobs. There will be a net reduction of pilots floating in trainign cycles. But I don't think it will be that significant. But getting our workhorse A330/765/7ER pay to go up will be a massive upgrade.
We have 27 B777s+ B747s.
We have 120 B765+330+767-300S.
I don't see how we are going to see any significant loss of jobs. There will be a net reduction of pilots floating in trainign cycles. But I don't think it will be that significant. But getting our workhorse A330/765/7ER pay to go up will be a massive upgrade.
We have 27 B777s+ B747s.
We have 120 B765+330+767-300S.
Denny
05-02-2016 | 02:20 PM
#144
The Brown Dot +1
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Im not in either camp of banded or productivity based. I see plusses and minuses with each. I do fly with some of the airlines most senior guys though.
Some, probably a majority of 777As just fly their line and go home. About 20% are GS hounds, some are *****s, others are target of opportunity guys. The most senior lines are max credit for minimum days worked. That is even further individualized based on where the pilot commutes from.
My opinion is that most senior guys are ambivalent about banding per se. They more than likely see the benefits and pitfalls, just like me. In a pay banded airline, the GS hounds will gravitate to where the opportunities are. The fly their schedule and go home guys will gravitate to whatever flying suited them best.
There are certainly plusses and minuses to banding.
Some, probably a majority of 777As just fly their line and go home. About 20% are GS hounds, some are *****s, others are target of opportunity guys. The most senior lines are max credit for minimum days worked. That is even further individualized based on where the pilot commutes from.
My opinion is that most senior guys are ambivalent about banding per se. They more than likely see the benefits and pitfalls, just like me. In a pay banded airline, the GS hounds will gravitate to where the opportunities are. The fly their schedule and go home guys will gravitate to whatever flying suited them best.
There are certainly plusses and minuses to banding.
05-02-2016 | 02:25 PM
#145
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I believe they meant drop in terms of alignment in the band not drop in rate. I don't believe the pilot group will accept any rate less than UAL rates so looks like $305+ would be the starting point for a 777/A350/A330/764/787 band.
05-02-2016 | 05:59 PM
#146
Where could U B tomorrow?
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Let's do it right . . .
Keep the 7ER category . . . but pay the 767 flight time with the band of wide bodies.
05-02-2016 | 06:08 PM
#147
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Ah yes. Still shilling for the EASK to block hour concession.
05-02-2016 | 07:45 PM
#149
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Let's get over it here now... the block hours thing was a stupid move. Harwood and Dilbeck really screwed up with that one. Smart guys get things wrong... and that is what happened. Lets move on.
We've got some nice widebodies coming online soon that will pay 777 pay. Long live the whale, but we have to deal with brake to vacate on the 350.
We've got some nice widebodies coming online soon that will pay 777 pay. Long live the whale, but we have to deal with brake to vacate on the 350.
05-02-2016 | 09:21 PM
#150
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL3N17I3DM
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