Is Delta a Dead end Career?
05-02-2016 | 09:29 PM
#151
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Let's get over it here now... the block hours thing was a stupid move. Harwood and Dilbeck really screwed up with that one. Smart guys get things wrong... and that is what happened. Lets move on.
We've got some nice widebodies coming online soon that will pay 777 pay. Long live the whale, but we have to deal with brake to vacate on the 350.
We've got some nice widebodies coming online soon that will pay 777 pay. Long live the whale, but we have to deal with brake to vacate on the 350.
Or do we think they won't do that? Yeah right. Make it expensive and difficult and maybe, just maybe, that won't happen.
05-04-2016 | 03:28 AM
#154
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From: 7ER Capt
According to data from MIT, in 2014 Delta had 158 dual aisle aircraft. United had 145, and American plus USAir had 151. Delta had some info about a year ago that showed our wide body fleet growing by around 8% as I recall from 2015 to 2018. This included the retirement of the whales and domestic 767s. I don't like code sharing and JVing our flying away any more than any other pilot, but talk of this being a dead end job compared to UAL or AMR seems to be a bit over the top.
This is VERY important under a 401K scheme... It means a third year UAL/AA pilot can be maxing out, while it will take a Delta pilot 10 to 15 years to make the top rate. (Comparing right seats).
Unless Delta pilots wake up to the fact that we will NEVER be a large wide body airline and pay band, we will be third choice on the list.
Last edited by LivingTheDream; 05-04-2016 at 03:51 AM.
05-04-2016 | 03:38 AM
#155
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We have ONLY 4ish% at the top rate... If we are EVER going to catch AA/UAL, we need to pay band.
05-04-2016 | 03:43 AM
#156
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Dual aisle means nothing... It's the pay that matters... Delta has only 27 a/c at the top rate... UAL has 128!
This is VERY important under a 401K scheme... It means a third year UAL pilot can be maxing out, while it will take a Delta pilot 10 to 15 years to make the top rate. (Comparing right seats).
Unless Delta pilots wake up to the fact that we will NEVER be a large wide body airline and pay band, we will be third choice on the list.
This is VERY important under a 401K scheme... It means a third year UAL pilot can be maxing out, while it will take a Delta pilot 10 to 15 years to make the top rate. (Comparing right seats).
Unless Delta pilots wake up to the fact that we will NEVER be a large wide body airline and pay band, we will be third choice on the list.
I'm not sure what part that we are to wake up to.... pay banding more planes into the top would be a wake up, but as another poster previously pointed out, it's hard to do without those at the top having the perception that they are funding a payraise for others.
05-04-2016 | 03:48 AM
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05-04-2016 | 03:49 AM
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This whole fear of banding is funny... It's not an "end of the world" new concept...
MANY airlines band successfully... We in fact, band... We just do a very poor job of it...
I would propose three bands for our diverse fleet:
1. 777/787/350/330/764/7ER.
2. 757/320/737/M88/C series equivalent.
3. 717 and smaller.
That would get the most money into the most amount of pockets sooner... Which is what you need to do to maximize our 401K scheme.
Last edited by LivingTheDream; 05-04-2016 at 04:02 AM.
05-04-2016 | 05:58 AM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Why have two bands, or three? Why not one band instead? If you can make the argument for 2 or 3 bands, you can certainly extend it to only one big band.
I've been on the 777 a while and I have never heard any 777 pilots saying there should -not- be pay banding, or they should get more, or pizz on the junior guys, or anything like that. In fact, I think we would all love to have the 767ER pay 777 pay, and most of us would bid it, just for the better European layover cities!
We ALL would LOVE to see Delta get MORE 777's and keep the whales too. We all understand how few 'top paying jobs' we have here at DL vs AA and UAL. We have been here the longest, seen the most, lost the most money in the pay cuts and lost the most retirement money as well, with the least time remaining to make it up.
We get it. So please don't try to turn this into a 'Super Premium Guys won't like it' argument. I would fully support pay banding, especially as I watch our 747 fleet going away. I would hope you would fully support replacing my lost retirement fund.
I've been on the 777 a while and I have never heard any 777 pilots saying there should -not- be pay banding, or they should get more, or pizz on the junior guys, or anything like that. In fact, I think we would all love to have the 767ER pay 777 pay, and most of us would bid it, just for the better European layover cities!
We ALL would LOVE to see Delta get MORE 777's and keep the whales too. We all understand how few 'top paying jobs' we have here at DL vs AA and UAL. We have been here the longest, seen the most, lost the most money in the pay cuts and lost the most retirement money as well, with the least time remaining to make it up.
We get it. So please don't try to turn this into a 'Super Premium Guys won't like it' argument. I would fully support pay banding, especially as I watch our 747 fleet going away. I would hope you would fully support replacing my lost retirement fund.
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