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Old 05-20-2016 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
How does UAL PS compare to ours?
In 2015 had the profit at each airline been equal it would have paid a roughly equal amount if you don't consider the pension aspect. The huge difference is the UAL plan is based on profit margin not actual profit. If Delta and UAL were each to double in size and double the profits our profit sharing also doubles while UAL's would remain the same.
The pension aspect is another big advantage of our plan over the UAL plan. Ours being fully pensionable would have resulted in around 4% more then UAL last year even with equal profits.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 04:56 PM
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How about UALs vacation compared to ours?
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
In 2015 had the profit at each airline been equal it would have paid a roughly equal amount if you don't consider the pension aspect. The huge difference is the UAL plan is based on profit margin not actual profit. If Delta and UAL were each to double in size and double the profits our profit sharing also doubles while UAL's would remain the same.
The pension aspect is another big advantage of our plan over the UAL plan. Ours being fully pensionable would have resulted in around 4% more then UAL last year even with equal profits.
Which profit sharing plan would be more advantageous if we replace/grow the international lift via joint ventures instead of organic lift?
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:18 PM
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FWIW. I fly out of ATL... a lot. Obviously. Lots of AF 773s. Korean flies in their 748, 380, 773s, 748F, 744F which joins a lot of other mixed airline 744Fs and a bunch of Virgin 330s.

It's really amazing how much heavy equipment flies in and out of ATL.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
How about UALs vacation compared to ours?
It's better.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Which profit sharing plan would be more advantageous if we replace/grow the international lift via joint ventures instead of organic lift?
Ours, but does not a joint venture imply that we share the lift?
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
In 2015 had the profit at each airline been equal it would have paid a roughly equal amount if you don't consider the pension aspect. The huge difference is the UAL plan is based on profit margin not actual profit. If Delta and UAL were each to double in size and double the profits our profit sharing also doubles while UAL's would remain the same.
The pension aspect is another big advantage of our plan over the UAL plan. Ours being fully pensionable would have resulted in around 4% more then UAL last year even with equal profits.
This is exactly why it should remain untouched. Why do you advocate for a language change that would undoubtedly be reinterpreted and exploited? Just as the original intent of the profit sharing and 3B4 are being now.

We have two grievances related to profit sharing pending. Why is that? The value of the JV settlement was excluded from pay, and the special items accounting grievance. Your management, which you appear to defend has taken several predatory actions when it comes to the current PWA. There is no reason to believe that will not continue.

The future PWA should have statements of intent to avoid the reinterpretation and perpetual fight over what we thought were settled provisions.

Delta management is ruining the Delta culture and trying to blame the pilots. During the 2015 investor day management spoke of integrity and the business principle of keeping its deals. I for one will do what is necessary to assist them which now means grievances and hyper vigilant contract enforcement.

This is their doing. They will reap what they sow.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
Ours, but does not a joint venture imply that we share the lift?
Yes, it implies a balance of production. Which side chose to violate that? There is no trust for the promises they make.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I was unhappy with the TA 15 sales job, but to this day I have flown with many a pilot who honestly thinks that we earn more absolute dollars since we rejected the TA than had we passed it. That could not happen in any scenario but the belief persists.

Funny that none of the DALPA haters ever seem to correct that.
I do. Top 50 717B.
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Old 05-20-2016 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
How about UALs vacation compared to ours?

42 days vs our 35.

James and his friends don't like to talk about vacation.

FedEx 216 hours

Delta 113:45

Embarrassing.

Pay and credit is essential. This contract must improve our quality of life and vacation is the key.
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