They have already proven they will disregard intent. They are also already manipulating PTIX through accounting practices.

 

If they added 1.1 billion of cost via a pilot contract what would that due to our profit sharing percentage?

 

Just to clarify, you're asking about if the company put 1.1 billion in our pockets, what would happen with the other pocket?

 

Would you rather have 100% of 1.1 billion, or 20% of 1.1 billion? Jeeze.

 

I ask because people said we would get less profit sharing because the other groups got a raise so if we get a raise what can we expect to happen to our ps payout?

I also have doubts that they were really giving us 1 billion

 

They are forward looking documents that clearly define the parameters. Just trying to be factual. It may not fit in with your viewpoint but being truthful will provide a better outcome.

 

Well this is going to get interesting.

 

To maintain their 20% margin the buy backs, debt payments and extra funding of retirement would slow. Oops, all those are coming to an end under the current authorization or have been announced to be reduced or will make money in a few years.

The profit will remain, why do you think they want an undefined carve out of your profit sharing?

 

Hmmmm.....if revenues stay constant, expenses would logically increase and therefore available profit sharing would decrease. But, as mentioned above, I would much prefer to see the pilots get 100% of an additional $1.1B and therefore get a smaller profit sharing payout (because of reduced profit, not due to a reduction in the current plan).

 

^This TRUMPS any claim by appeasers/apologists that they 'know' how the 'to date proposals' impact the dal pilot. They're starting point is 'agreed to language' from a trustworthy negotiating entity... false assumption. In their defense, it seems the NC and admin are making the same assumption.

How many times have we been left holding the bag because of lies, deceit? How has that JV settlement check trade for seat progression treating you? Seat progression for a couple weeks of groceries? A pennies on the dollar WIN for dal mgt. And we said "duh, ok"... you can't make this stuff up.

Do these folks really think that the management carve out of the dal pilot profit sharing is some simple, loophole free clause? If so, why did the strategy evolve from stripping value by cutting the thresholds, to sympathy pleas to share the non-contract pain, to sketchy accounting changes to PTIX? You can tell management is not letting anything stop them, while we know how things work on our side by the outright lies sold to us in the 'Summer of '15'.

They want the money and they will take any avenue to get it. Dalpa is simply attempting to make it palatable for the dal pilot to stick it in the pilot working agreement.

At this point, the 'totality'(as these posters say) of any TA is secondary for me. If this NC and administration are not in this to WIN, they will lose... and more than they bargained for, imo.