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sailingfun 08-31-2016 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2192485)
Well..... using the math some have..... if you add the 401/dc money its close:D

That is true. Even Delta managements current table position puts our 737 rate at 363 an hour on 1 Jan with a 20% PS payout.

crewdawg 08-31-2016 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2192399)
Well hopefully in future contracts the younger guys coming on board will realize how stupid the current pay scheme is and get it changed.

I think you will see this become a priority as we get more and more new hires on property. Our next contract could see >50% of pilots with <7-10 years of service.

BobZ 08-31-2016 03:15 PM

okay.....ink us a 10 year contract with 363/hr on signing and 5% a year....secured with Ed and RAs stock portfolio and I believe we have a deal.

JamesBond 08-31-2016 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2192499)
That is true. Even Delta managements current table position puts our 737 rate at 363 an hour on 1 Jan with a 20% PS payout.

Current management proposal is $302/hr?

Hank Kingsley 08-31-2016 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2192485)
Well..... using the math some have..... if you add the 401/dc money its close:D

Total compensation, they made some nice progress. How many concessions? IDK their contract.

One airplane, very efficient operation. DAL makes us pay for multiple fleets, training, yada, yada...and calls it pilot costs. But you can buy that POS tablet, these guys are unbelievable. Seriously, you can't find worse leadership skills. You'd get passed over for O-2 if you were this bad.

sailingfun 08-31-2016 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2192710)
Current management proposal is $302/hr?

Their current position on I Jan is 261 plus a 16 DC. The original post referenced the SWA rate with the DC rate added in. My reply was to that post. I was crediting SWA with a 251.an hour base rate on their new TA. Posters now say it's falls somewhere between 245 and 248.

80ktsClamp 08-31-2016 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2192415)
Again if we accepted their agreement in whole we would need over 8000 more pilots and average 4 days more off per month domestic and have a higher w-2.

I make fun of sailingfun for bad data a lot.... but holy crap, you have set a new record of just absurdity.

Trip7 08-31-2016 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2192807)
I make fun of sailingfun for bad data a lot.... but holy crap, you have set a new record of just absurdity.

I just spit lasagna all over my phone...Too funny!

Cogf16 08-31-2016 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2192453)
Given latitude by who? 65% of us give no latitude with respect to a concessionary contract. We expect gains in scope, vacation, sick leave and training, not trades for pay rates. When those negotiating on both sides finally figure out it is about 28 sections of the contract, not just a few tables in section 3, we will get somewhere. Until then it's just moving the deck chairs around.

That is an ENORMOUS LEAP you just took, equating your needs to the rest of us 65% No voters.....

Cogf16 08-31-2016 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2192415)
Again if we accepted their agreement in whole we would need over 8000 more pilots and average 4 days more off per month domestic and have a higher w-2.

This might be the silliest thing ever posted on these boards!!!!! I've known of few guys over the years who subscribe to the theory that the more outrageous a lie is the more believable it might be.....Their Flight Ops business model is just a little different than ours. One size doesn't fit all. Impossible to make that leap when comparing a domestic, one jet operation with our (admittedly) bulkier, inefficient fleet with categories as small as 10 to 40 jets. Try comparing apples to at least watermelons.


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