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Old 09-07-2016 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
You may be too important to fly small jets. That is how we got in this mess in the first place.
What in hell does that even mean Mr DPA screecher guy?
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Old 09-07-2016 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Then why the heck was all terrible gives you supported in NA2015 costed out in how many jobs it would reduce?
Simply not true.

I saw section 1 only minutes before everyone else did. Before doing anything else I started modelling jobs and the results of the changes. The litmus test has always been the effect on jobs. Section 1 protected (and added) more jobs than the status quo. You know I posted the data on the BHR change, in jobs, here.

C20's incorrect publication was based on a guy using data he had squirrelled away from his work on C2012. His data was at least 3 years out of date and because he started with the wrong figures his conclusions were wrong. I tracked the source of his errors and spoke with him about it. He acknowledged the errors.

The official data comes from our negotiators and experts (last time, this time, every time). It will be triple checked and correct.

You are smarter than to follow the Dannn model of just shouting "liar" whenever confronted with data that does not align with your confirmational bias - or at least you had been some years ago.

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Old 09-07-2016 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
In their last negotiation the American pilots did not allow the negotiating commuter to discuss scope. Same at United.

80 what are your cost estimates for the upcoming scope concessions I listed?
That's because their scope was hit hard in BK. Doesn't matter what happened last TA, but where it stands in its totality. Don't they have 88 seat RJ's, not to mention USAirways glut of big RJ's??? And cherrypicking individual sections of a contract doesn't tell the whole story. Can't you just wait for a TA to come out before you spew these deceptions?
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Old 09-07-2016 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
You do realize that I am not a DPA promoter, right?

I just find it amusing you are bashing a group that believes you should be restored to prior compensation levels that you had to give up to save Delta.
Who wouldn't? What's your/their plan to get it? Just say it really LOUD like AA did a few years ago?
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Old 09-07-2016 | 08:43 PM
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I do know that you were booted out of your position for the awful job...
If the company is in compliance then there is no need for a concession to get into compliance during negotiations.

The precise reason I resigned is encapsulated in the administrative changes adopted unanimously by our MEC in June. The exact reason for those changes is to make the Scope Compliance and Analysis Committee a functional committee which can collaboratively and proactively seek compliance with our contract.

A guy in the administration owes a duty of loyalty to his boss, the Chairman. It was a rough year which in addition to the time involved, cost about $45,000 in uncompensated travel & office days (which are still travel). The return for all of that work was the enmity of guys like you. So why bother trying to help? My heart will always be in serving the Delta pilots but it was time to move on and enjoy the much greater political flexibility of being a non-volunteer member in good standing. Besides the current SC&A Chairman is a very smart guy with a much better personality than mine who isn't on social media - trifecta!
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Old 09-07-2016 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The DCI 50 seat jets are going away on their own. We do not need concessions to buy their number down.

But you knew that.
Maybe, maybe not.

There are always plans A, B, C, ... .
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Old 09-07-2016 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Who wouldn't? What's your/their plan to get it? Just say it really LOUD like AA did a few years ago?
Like socialism, it will work this time because our guys are smarter than those guys.
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Old 09-07-2016 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast
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I completely agree. So the Company wants 50 more 76-seaters. Do you know why?? Because we have a bunch of cities that NETWORK thinks can mostly fill 5X 76-seaters per day rather than 2.5X Maddogs or 320s or 737s. The business traveller, who we count on to pay a premium, seems to value frequency and time-of-day choice. And there are some cities, like Flint, or Idaho Falls, that will NEVER fill 5X 737s. So if network wants 50 more, it doesn't bother me a whole lot. They feed our NETWORK, make us money and get me a fatter Valentine's Day happy check!
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Network can get 50 more 76-seaters tomorrow... At mainline.

Nothing is preventing the Delta pilots from flying them.

Nothing

Oh, and I love how you gloat how your profit sharing check will be better if we outsource 50 more 76-seaters. You do realize that direct increase in Profit Sharing is directly due to a pilot making sub-par wages to fly newly outsourced 76-seat jets. How nice of you to be excited about that.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Maybe, maybe not.

There are always plans A, B, C, ... .
And those plans involve mainline pilots flying 76-130 seat jets if no more are allowed to be outsourced. Outsourcing more 76-seaters just allows them to implement their plan to outsource more jets, longer.
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Old 09-08-2016 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Maybe, maybe not.

There are always plans A, B, C, ... .
That is absurd.

Like they wont buy the 190s.

We are done falling for that old line.
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Old 09-08-2016 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Network can get 50 more 76-seaters tomorrow... At mainline.

Nothing is preventing the Delta pilots from flying them.

Nothing

Oh, and I love how you gloat how your profit sharing check will be better if we outsource 50 more 76-seaters. You do realize that direct increase in Profit Sharing is directly due to a pilot making sub-par wages to fly newly outsourced 76-seat jets. How nice of you to be excited about that.



And those plans involve mainline pilots flying 76-130 seat jets if no more are allowed to be outsourced. Outsourcing more 76-seaters just allows them to implement their plan to outsource more jets, longer.
Exactly.

He has his, pull up the ladder.

So many of these selfish pilots don't know what a union is nor do they care about our profession.
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