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09-16-2016 | 07:56 PM
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Better rates, profit sharing, vacation, work rules, scheduling etc.? If so Im all in. I dont want ALPA to fail so i can say I told you so, I want ALPA to succeed, but I would like them to be keenly aware that we are all watching them carefully and demand excellence. Many have the opinion that our union is a little too cozy with mgt, and has been for some time. I watched ALPA all but destroy and routinely throw my old regional under the bus, time and again. So maybe I'm not as trusting with our union as others might be.
09-16-2016 | 08:01 PM
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09-16-2016 | 08:04 PM
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I suppose you will have to better define how the pilot group is getting "beat down"...the current company table offer is said to be valued at +/- $700M per year improvement....of course there will be debates as to dollar value and how it stacks up against the SWA TA and AMR and UAL contracts...but by most accounts (at least those sober accounts that will have an adjudicating function on whether or not we will ever be released to self help) it is viewed to be at or near industry leading.
Divide the cost of the UPS agreement by the number of UPS pilots.
Then do the same for our upcoming agreement.
That will NEVER EVER happen because reality is not allowed.
09-16-2016 | 08:06 PM
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09-16-2016 | 10:39 PM
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09-17-2016 | 04:21 AM
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I supported you back in 2012 but my card has long since expired. Imagine my dismay that you are now asking your supporters to undermine negotiations.
You appear to be advocating that we not support the union's "Get Serious" write in campaign to management and that there is no reason to show up to man the picket lines. Really? This is going to somehow help our pilot group?
To me you have progressed from viable alternative to a sideshow and finally to a real detriment to successfully negotiating a contract.
I am certainly no ALPA cheerleader, I detest ALPA national. But as a Delta pilot and former DPA supporter, I ask you to please stop undercutting our negotiations.
Capt. Hook
You appear to be advocating that we not support the union's "Get Serious" write in campaign to management and that there is no reason to show up to man the picket lines. Really? This is going to somehow help our pilot group?
To me you have progressed from viable alternative to a sideshow and finally to a real detriment to successfully negotiating a contract.
I am certainly no ALPA cheerleader, I detest ALPA national. But as a Delta pilot and former DPA supporter, I ask you to please stop undercutting our negotiations.
Capt. Hook
Like it or not, ALPA is our bargaining agent for this contract.
At this point the DPA promoters are only helping management.
09-17-2016 | 04:38 AM
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There was some DPA communication at the beginning of their drive that discussed Seham's billing deal. He was charging something like 50% up front, with 50% due when the drive ended in certification or abandonment of the drive.
I can only imagine how much TC owes to Seham after 6 years of his involvement. If you recall, he was fired from USAPA over unexplainable billing charges, and also released by SWAPA and APA. Any money a pilot contributes to DPA at this point must be going directly into the hands of a family (Lee Seham and his father) who have done nothing but prey on pilots and their follies.
I can only imagine how much TC owes to Seham after 6 years of his involvement. If you recall, he was fired from USAPA over unexplainable billing charges, and also released by SWAPA and APA. Any money a pilot contributes to DPA at this point must be going directly into the hands of a family (Lee Seham and his father) who have done nothing but prey on pilots and their follies.
09-17-2016 | 04:40 AM
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I suppose you will have to better define how the pilot group is getting "beat down"...the current company table offer is said to be valued at +/- $700M per year improvement....of course there will be debates as to dollar value and how it stacks up against the SWA TA and AMR and UAL contracts...but by most accounts (at least those sober accounts that will have an adjudicating function on whether or not we will ever be released to self help) it is viewed to be at or near industry leading.
As soon as we are offered a deal that enhances QOL as I interpret it (more time at home, more schedule flexibility and less uncomfortable dead heading) commensurate with record profits, I'll vote yes. Until then, C2012 works for us and I don't squander the real opportunity to make meaningful QOL gains only to pad our family budget a little more. We've got plenty of income, but missed family time is what I'll regret forever.
09-17-2016 | 05:00 AM
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09-17-2016 | 05:09 AM
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I shake my head at guys that keep giving DPA relevance by continuing to even discuss the long-since irrelevant entity. Look in the mirror folks, you are the ones keeping it alive.
If they couldn't make things happen after last summers pathetic excuse for a ta, they never will. Let it die already.
Boggles the mind that people get worked up into such a tizzy talking about an organization that has been unsuccessful for, what, 5-plus years now?
If they couldn't make things happen after last summers pathetic excuse for a ta, they never will. Let it die already.
Boggles the mind that people get worked up into such a tizzy talking about an organization that has been unsuccessful for, what, 5-plus years now?
This is because both company and alpa detest DPA with passion. Why do you think that is?
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