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Old 09-22-2016 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Hearing we are going to cave on change to block hours.

Air France A 380 vs Delta A 321.

We can never allow this to happen.

Be informed and discuss with your reps.

Don't listen to me or the jam down club.

Call your Rep and be informed.
This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.

Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out.

Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft.

And the Atlantic is soft.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Hearing we are going to cave on change to block hours.

Air France A 380 vs Delta A 321.

We can never allow this to happen.

Be informed and discuss with your reps.

Don't listen to me or the jam down club.

Call your Rep and be informed.
If anything, we need multiple metrics to ensure the intent is maintained. Loosening SCOPE is just another log on the concession fire. Remember to evaluate the whole TA. I'll start a sections with a concession thread if/when we get a T/A.

Concessions 1, 3, 14, 23...

No gains 7, 11, 12...
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Old 09-22-2016 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.

Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out.

Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft.

And the Atlantic is soft.
Total nonsense.

767 being replaced by A 321.

The same guys who negotiated the VEBA are negotiating our JV scope.

I was hired in 1985 this won't harm me. Consider the source.

I'm fighting for our profession and our new pilots, not myself or management.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.

Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out.

Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft.

And the Atlantic is soft.
Are you trying to say that there is language in the JV that compels DAL to reduce flying when one of the JV partners does?

When you say "usually 2 pilots" for the A380, where is that coming from and exactly what percentage of A380 JV partner routes are 2 pilot crews?
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Old 09-22-2016 | 11:49 AM
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We need both BH and ESK protections.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify
Great point about the 100% focus thing. But you have been asking the forum to start focusing on JV, so here's a thread devoted to that.

What do you know about JV in the current negotiations and what do you think needs to be done?

What I've seen (this is not directed at you), is that 737-800s and 321s are planned for trans-Atlantic routes. There were many on APC saying that wouldn't happen when the JV block hour conversion proposal was being contested.
Of course it would happen. The company WANTED it.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 01:14 PM
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We need to not make any scope concessions during record profits.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 01:19 PM
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And which AIP improved JV and CS agreements? None

So company wants no change to CS JV
Won't take the Alaska Marketing Agreement out of Sec 1
More large RJ's
Significant cut to sick leave (sick once per quarter for a year and then you are on perpetual doctors notes going forward until you haven't called in long enough that the first sick call rolls off the rolling window). No verifying before that point!
OE trip pulls
And what other gems for 17-19%?
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Old 09-22-2016 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
We need to not make any scope concessions during record profits.
Agree. Malone needs to walk in and tell them well change sick leave to hire month, that's it for concessions. Otherwise I'm personally getting DPA stood up and firing all the old guard. And walk out.
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Old 09-22-2016 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 300SMK
I'm personally getting DPA stood up and firing all the old guard. And walk out.
Kiss retro good bye, and any hopes of a deal within the next 3 years along with it.


Oh, you can wait.



Forgot.



And those that would like a deal are 'selfish'.
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