That is a Yuuuuuge question. Not being a wise ass or anything, but tbh there are too many variables to get a good answer. One could make assumptions based on a static environment, or could go hard core pessimist (the one you are likely to get on here and ****shat and FB) Or you could go full on optimistic (the one you will probably get from dALPA.

The change is actually a 48.5% to a 47.5% floor with a 1% buffer, a shorter measurement period and no cure period.

50% was never a floor for the company but the target flying share prior to Alitalia joining the JV.

The proposed TA also gives us a 650,000 block hour floor that would require flying to be shifted to other trans Oceanic theaters in order to keep jobs the same.

Please read the NNP 17-17 on scope and decide for yourself. More information will be released on scope in the coming weeks as well, if the AIP is sent on for MEMRAT.

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No, it makes sense to have strong leadership that doesn't roll over for a paltry sum. We do not have to agree that precedent. We can fight and make a strong case that the lack of flights, jobs, upgrades, etc are worth a ton more.

So, at least we know what your (nothing personal, you are in a big group I think) price is for scope sell off. I hope it doesn't us in the ass.

Paltry? Damn son you must be seriously rich. Good on ya.

Optimistic thinking is healthy, but the new Delta Management team will drive our little wide body fleet thru the, they would never do that, holes in our contract language and DALPA will talk tough but cave on any grievance if they even file one! Back to ebay looking for colorful unicorns.

Which means, we are willing to let them keep the block hours at a level from years ago while the company has added thousands of pilots and a ton of NB flying. So, don't look at it as losing any WB flying. Think of it as losing a percentage of WB jobs at this airline. If our partners grow even more, our percentage could just keep dropping and dropping, but we will stay at 650,000 block hours, so no big deal right?

Well, that is no big deal unless you care about the contract the company made with us when they implemented the JV. And it is no big deal unless you actually think that Delta should not outsource the wide body flying to our JV partners while we keep the same block hours that we have been flying. That is the exact reason why the agreement is done in percentages. We do not want them to grow their flying while we stay the same. We do not want to make our JV partners the source of Atlantic flying while we shift to Pacific with no growth.

SCOPE IS VERY IMPORTANT. This is a HUGE loss for us! It is being sold to us as a win. IT IS NOT!

Don't you get bored posting on here hundreds of times per day adding nothing to the conversation?

For those that use critical thinking, the paltry sum averaged out to a fraction of a month's paycheck for pilots. Yes, that is paltry when you factor in how many hours we didn't fly on our highest paying equipment, how many upgrades didn't happen, the jobs that were not needed, etc...

But you knew that.

Scope is the most important section. By far.

WRT the TA scope, what are we giving up other than the 1%/will be in compliance part? That is definitely a concession and I don't like it, but I really like the 2 year no cure period part. That is a definite win. The block hour floor is also a win at least in the technical sense, as IMO we need strong ESK and BH protections going forward because relying on only one can be pretty dangerous.

And is SEA a hub WRT the potential return of Alaska code share abuse or not?

And as I have said numerous times, tying highest pay to biggest equipment is idiotic. But you know that doncha. You know since you are the critical thinker and all........