I never said anywhere we'd see any 76 seaters at mainline. You made a the hypothetical if we saw them at mainline, who'd bid them. Not me. You were directing this hypothetical to poster "Flytolive"

I will argue less viable aircraft at DCI will result in more mainline flying be it in the form of the C series or something else.

 

With their demonstrated complete disregard for JV Scope protection clauses in the contract, why shouldn't they??

 

I am confused why the JV scope thing is such a big deal to people. 2% reduction is about 1 roundtrip flight. Staffing reduction couldn't be more than 10 pilots. Also this isn't even a reduction just a reallocation to other theatres. I can't imagine the company paid all that money for 350 sim unless they were actually going to take orders of the 350. I also don't think it's being aqcuired to fly domestically. It appears that people were expecting no wins for the company in this negotiation. A good deal means both parties get something. Again I understand people would like to go back to the pre 9/11 glory days of aviation where a whale captain was making 400 and hour with full pension but I believe those days are gone for good. If I thought for a second we could get back there just by negotiating more I would support a no vote. This TA is all about cost benefit for me. A yes vote takes the overall gain. Maybe not as much as we had hoped but more than we had.

 

Care to explain how you came up with those numbers vilcas?

 

Well the 1 round trip flight was from the Q and A posted on the ALPA site. 10 crew members was a guess I don't know what a reduction of one round trip would be in terms of crew. Also this is a JV reduction doesn't mean we actually lose overal international flying since it might just be a movement of flying from one theatre to another.

My main point is Scope and Sick changes don't outweigh the compensation. Not the best deal but I think it's good enough for the present environment and sending it back to be improved might end up being money lost for little to no future gain in these areas like JV scope and sick policy.

 

So Dalpa provided info, ok. The contract will likely pass, but it won't do so with ease. If it does, the majority has spoken. Same for if it doesn't. If it doesn't, then it will be time to fight a little harder. If it does, then life will go on as well.

 

I agree the majority will decide as it should be. I am only providing my point of view to temper some of the no voter sentiments on here.

 

If we're allowed.

 

Agreed on all points except the $400 an hour pilot is gone.

Including PS a senior A350/777 Captain will have an effective payrate well into 400k with a base payrate of $354 an hour before PS. That pilot will easily max out the 16% DC, and have a nice amount of 401k excess cash to put into IRA.

The money on the table here is so significant that IMO the MEC must send this to the pilots for final say. Turning this back by the MEC could potentially cost the pilot group an eye watering amount with compounding and time value of money factored in.

 

2% lower than a 1.5% buffer. Even 2% is 4% less of our piece of the flying. You want to give up 4% of that flying? I don't.