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Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.
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#104
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.
First, this is a ratio. So you need "crystal clear" insight into the productivity of Air France, KLM and Alitalia to make your statement. Further, you must have a confidence in their ability to execute capacity control that I've not seen in the last 5 years of watching them.
The company's problems with compliance are three-fold:
(1) Network management runs Delta's capacity to maximize profit. Scope compliance is not a goal and barely on their radar. ALPA has been slowing moving, with prodding from folks like me, towards more effective proactive engagement with the company. We always have the grievance process and will enforce our contract. "Proactive engagement" has a bad name around here, politically (even though it is the best way to ensure compliance on the front end) and ALPA is a political animal.
(2) Delta has little influence (much less control) over AF/KLM/AZ in as tight a range as the pilot working agreement specifies.
(3) Air France/KLM are on the run from low-cost carriers and the ME3. In desperation, they've been trying to escape to the "white spots" on the ME3's route maps ... North and South America.
Ryanair leadership openly state that Air France/KLM are a dead man walking. We shall see, but IMHO they've got some real serious problems that they might not be able to deal with given the competitive landscape in Europe.
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#105
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
We don't need to say "NO" just to maintain our street cred while being paid less than just about everyone else in the industry.
#106
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You are as uninformed as you are consistent.
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The primary driver of us being contractually non-compliant over the Atlantic was Air France's decision, several years ago, to add multiple A-380s to the trans-atlantic mix. Our network dept., faced with declining Atlantic traffic, wisely held our Atlantic fleet status quo. The result was that our share of EASKs went down.
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We have no "control" over AF's fleet decisions but the Company decided it would cost more to add unneeded capacity in the face of declining loads than to litigate the contractual under-performance later. (and BTW, Air France has continued to struggle to fill their A-380s and recently declined to accept the last tranche of firm order A-380s they were slated to receive)
So, although our EASK production ratio was sub-contractual several years ago, the main reason was that our "partner" over-produced their share of EASKs. We did not reduce our flying in that theater 5%.
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Talk to Network if you want corroboration or confirmation of the above. They will actually take the time to explain it to you.
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You are as uninformed as you are consistent.
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The primary driver of us being contractually non-compliant over the Atlantic was Air France's decision, several years ago, to add multiple A-380s to the trans-atlantic mix. Our network dept., faced with declining Atlantic traffic, wisely held our Atlantic fleet status quo. The result was that our share of EASKs went down.
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We have no "control" over AF's fleet decisions but the Company decided it would cost more to add unneeded capacity in the face of declining loads than to litigate the contractual under-performance later. (and BTW, Air France has continued to struggle to fill their A-380s and recently declined to accept the last tranche of firm order A-380s they were slated to receive)
So, although our EASK production ratio was sub-contractual several years ago, the main reason was that our "partner" over-produced their share of EASKs. We did not reduce our flying in that theater 5%.
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Talk to Network if you want corroboration or confirmation of the above. They will actually take the time to explain it to you.
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I don't care if it was a good idea or bad idea to violate our contract in their mind. They did not come to us and ask us if it was ok. We have not been paid an adequate grievance for the violation. You cannot tell me how many jobs we did not gain because somebody's A380 was flying across the water without our pilots on board.
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Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.
I believe you see it correctly.
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Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.
Despite all that the company is on track to meet the 48.5% minimum in the current contract. Keep in mind that in terms of actual flying that gives us 55% of the block hours.
If I were a pilot with two years at Delta I would be far more concerned with the fact we have virtually no narrow body protections. We had a opportunity to make some solid gains however the union got cowed by social media and let that slip through their fingers. They felt and correctly so that the pilot group would perceive it as a loss. As the maddogs age combined with another economic downturn we may find we really rue that choice.
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Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.
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