Every post you make is FUD with nothing to back it up. Why don't you post some examples of how you think the company is going to create this massive job loss via VB's.

 

Seriously Sailing?

Have you seen the APC vote?

This is by far the most balanced forum. Yes it was heavily against the last TA, but so we're the Pilots.


Scoop

 

Those who yell loud and often can be misperceived as the majority. But I would say the overall forum is not FUD. Like Scoop said, look at the vote thread, 71/29 pass, which I have a feeling is what the actual vote will look like. I was a definite no on the TA1 and most likely a yes to TA2, I have always appreciated posts that counter baseless rhetoric.

If you want FUD, just go to chitchat.

 

I tend to agree with both of you. This place has all the inevitable "the sky is falling, all change is bad, and the good ol' days were always better than today" posts that you also find elsewhere.

However, here there is also some level headed discourse, with some respect and even humor thrown in that you don't see elsewhere, and I appreciate it. I don't go to the "Sh!t Chat" forum due to its toxic atmosphere. I no longer read the once-decent FB page for the same reason.

 

This deal *may* slow things a hair width, but it won't be anything like the last 15 years. No one can deny that. The constipation is now at the top end of the list but not for a whole lot longer.

 

What I find interesting is that here on an anonymous forum the discussion tends to be more issue oriented and professional, while at chitchat (which is not anonymous) it's more about personalities, name calling, and not professional at all, but much more of an embarrassment. You'd think it would be quite the opposite.

 

Explain how you think this, and how about a few examples of numbers with just a modicum of fact to back them up. Bullet points will do.


Or is it just more spaghetti?

Unlike you, I have an open mind but not when some know it all throws out some meaningless rhetoric.

 

All these things that are being called 'job killers' are not even going to move the needle. They won't even be noticed.

It's a farce perpetrated by the usual anti dALPA crowd with an agenda.

 

Agreed!!!!(had to reach 10 characters)

 

This is something that only exists to reduce pilot jobs. There is really no other reason for it besides maybe saving some hotels, but it would mostly occur in relatively cheap hotel markets anyway.

We absolutely have to go through all language with a fine tooth comb and assume that if they can do something worst case with it they will.

I think its obvious that whatever they do WRT VB's will be somewhat palatable at first. They want this option BADLY, even if they don't have a near term intention to go nuclear with it. So they know they have to limp through the first year on our terms to get it codified permanently. While technically this gives us leverage, it will be wasted if we rubber stamp something semi-positive that then becomes a significant jobs costing negative.

I see no net positive with VB's in that regard. If we want to be pro commuter there are many other ways to do it. This isn't it. This will cost jobs, dilute seniority and trip mix, and lastly cost jobs. We should already have the resolutions to pull this ASAP drafted and ready.