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Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2287743)

The same would be true if it passed narrowly. So why the interest in the margin earlier, sailingfun? Would your curiosity be just as piqued had it passed by a single vote?

It shows a level of support. Did you ask anyone how much TA1 was rejected by or TA2 passed by? I was also interested in how many attended.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2287886)

Other than occasionally reading this board I pay zero attention to ALPA politics. Fortunately having read this board, I know that anything the Moakies want is something I don't want. With zero knowledge of what these 2 FO's allegedly did, I'll vote to keep them. Thanks Obama.

If your basing your knowledge off this board the view point you end up with will be very narrow and slanted.

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Originally Posted by Wuzatforus (Post 2287797)

I guess you didn't get retro or a raise?

I did. It would be delusional to attribute that value to Jimmy and Chris.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2287886)

Simple. The FO reps voted for Bartels and an MEC admin that likely IMO the majority of C44 membership would not have supported over Malone. Violation of the will of the Council. Is it a bad enough offense to require recall? The Council will decide but at the very least I think it deserves a vote so I supported the motion to recall.

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2287928)

Received a interesting email this morning. Since I don't have permission I won't repost. I took no side in the vote. Now I wish I had at least for one rep it appears directly lied to me about his ties to DPA.

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Originally Posted by Dharma (Post 2287785)

One man's holy crusade is another man's clown show.

Now that TA2 is history, I don't think Jimmy or Chris really want to be reps. Their DPA is dying, no contract negotiations to grandstand over; maybe they'll spare us more "clown" and just resign. They don't want to do the work.

Alternative facts.

They "really don't want to be reps". Who, in their right mind, "wants" to be a rep? Those who do, should be closely watched. From my interactions with them, they simply "want" to do the right thing on behalf of their fellow pilots.

Tying them both to DPA is baloney. One had some previous ties - just like thousands of other pilots, including JM, the former MEC Chair.

Grandstanding? Examples please.

Your "Clown" comment ranks right up there with Rocket Surgeons, Morons, NoRons and ***** Whiners. Name calling is the hallmark of a very loud minority in our ranks. Oh, let's not forget, "1,000 days, a billion dollars", too. Those descriptors originated from the same group who tried to shove TA1 down our throats, gobbled up $1.7M in Flight Pay Loss, fought tooth and nail to stop (justified) recalls in 2015, and now attack two of the guys who got us TA2. They were all in attendance yesterday supporting recall. Shocker.

Oh, and some chief pilots were in on the action yesterday, too.

The docile, disengaged pilot group is vulnerable to being overrun again with management apologists taking control of the MEC again.

History does repeat itself.

Help secure a big contract and get recalled. The Delta way.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2287931)

Don't hurt yourself shining your "just the messenger" halo. Lob the grenade, run, hope it may help with the recall effort.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2287931)

I was copied in on an interesting email chain as well.

This was all orchestrated by the same folks who orchestrated the recall defeat in 2015.

Some Delta pilots just hate getting a raise.

Weird.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2287931)

Incredible. There you are with your inaccurate statement du jour.

Names or initials please?

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Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 2287907)

Moakies? First, I think the odds of anybody getting elected on the Moak platform is near zero. Although there were some former Moak supporters at the meeting, there were also many former reps (several former North) and vounteers that were as far away from the Moak doctrine as you can get. I bring up the fact they were reps because until you have actually walked a mile in their shoes, it is hard to know what the job really entails.

Line pilots generally only judge a rep on how they may vote or what position they appear to take on a subject. The job is much more than that. The MEC isn't Congress, (how is their approval rating?) it is a board and behavior, process etc matter.

When you have former "anti Moak" North Reps that have ZERO political ambition supporting their recall, that should be enough to know that the recall has nothing to do with Moakism. If the shoe were on the other foot and these two were perceived as Moakies and based on their actions, social media would be in support of their recall just like it was last year for the previous reps.

It seems like anytime the perceived social media majority is in the minority on a position, it immediately labels the opposing side as Moakies (it certainly is not in this case), that the room is stacked with people from the Admin (again false as the Admin would be their supporters), that the average line pilot didn't know as "every guy I fly with says...." (Again BS, many, many communications have been put out to the pilots of 44.)

So maybe it just happens that line pilots who have a different opinion than the social media majority, actually took the time to bid off, go to a meeting and let their voices be heard without their being some conspiracy or personal agenda other than they don't feel like THEY are being represented? Naaaa it was all just a bunch of Moakies who want to be in power again... SMDH...

Please excuse typos and grammar as I am in a hurry.