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Denny Crane 01-26-2017 04:26 AM
Originally Posted by Bradshaw24 (Post 2288450)
I think we will learn soon enough what a typical line pilot cares about in C44. I think we will see whether they want an LEC that works together or not.
Im not taking sides in another councils dispute but this argument you propose can go both ways. If I read you correctly, you are saying the FO reps are not working with the Capt reps...........could not the opposite be said too?

Denny

Wuzatforus 01-26-2017 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2288494)
Im not taking sides in another councils dispute but this argument you propose can go both ways. If I read you correctly, you are saying the FO reps are not working with the Capt reps...........could not the opposite be said too?

Denny
Nailed. It.

Dharma 01-26-2017 04:44 AM
Originally Posted by Wuzatforus (Post 2288478)
...My exposure to ALPA MEC actions is that "secret" meetings are held all the time as one side or group tries to form their own consensus to bring along others or, in this case, just get to a majority position and keep things moving.
I agree that this probably happens. What I don't like is the refusal to discuss and debate afterwards. To me, it's like saying, "I know it all and talking to the other side won't change my mind." That's not right.

Trip7 01-26-2017 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2288413)
That's not really what I asked, Trip. Going forward, how would Bartells' and Malone have been different?

Why would a typical line guy say, "Damn! We had better recall they guys who voted for Bartell. They really screwed me over."


Can you name something specific on the horizon?
It has the potential to be significantly different. Gains like 5:15 ADG can be made mid cycle. Capt Malone's Admin brings a firm but reasonable approach to engaging management that has a proven track record of success. Captain Bartel's admin has a track track record of being very militant and adversial. History has proven over and over that the militant approach yields little to no results.

Big decisions like virtual bases are on the horizon. Will Kern and Johnson listen to the will of 44 or follow their own mantra?

Bradshaw24 01-26-2017 05:35 AM
Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2288477)
The case of many proven in your point.
Do you not realize that there are different opinions out there? Do you think everything should be unanimous, which would essentially make it unilateral?

80 Johnson is right about NewK Johnson's being right.
Of course there are different opinions out there. That's why I find it odd that some here would presume to speak for the typical line pilot. That's why I wrote, that we will soon see what the typical line pilot cares about. And no, everything doesn't need to be unanimous. I never said it did.

Bradshaw24 01-26-2017 05:38 AM
Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2288494)
Im not taking sides in another councils dispute but this argument you propose can go both ways. If I read you correctly, you are saying the FO reps are not working with the Capt reps...........could not the opposite be said too?

Denny
That's true as well.

Scoop 01-26-2017 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by Wuzatforus (Post 2288387)
So, every important vote made by a rep in which you disagree with should trigger a recall?

We're gonna be recall machines.

"Gonna?" I think that ship already sailed. Unfortunately it appears that we are recall machines. :cool:

Scoop

Peoloto 01-26-2017 07:31 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2288502)
It has the potential to be significantly different. Gains like 5:15 ADG can be made mid cycle. Capt Malone's Admin brings a firm but reasonable approach to engaging management that has a proven track record of success. Captain Bartel's admin has a track track record of being very militant and adversial. History has proven over and over that the militant approach yields little to no results.

Big decisions like virtual bases are on the horizon. Will Kern and Johnson listen to the will of 44 or follow their own mantra?
So you want a MEC that management walks all over just to net you more $$$? We all know that's all you care about. Don't forget a line pilot saved us from the "inadvertently" filed 9:45 exemption. Malone and crew had no idea they were being played. Would BB have caught it? Who knows but it's obvious things have changed and we need someone who will stand up.

Bradshaw24 01-26-2017 07:54 AM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2288453)
The people that brought on and sold hard the pitiful failure that was TA2015 were worthy of recall. Bring on a failure like that, and it is certainly worthy of recall.
Does that include your reps?

Bradshaw24 01-26-2017 07:57 AM
Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2288533)
"Gonna?" I think that ship already sailed. Unfortunately it appears that we are recall machines. :cool:

Scoop
It sailed in 2015 with an orgy of recalls, loudly cheered on SM and by the two f/o reps being recalled. The hypocrisy is dripping.


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