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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2288898)

I'll vouch for ya NewK. You are probably THE most apolitical poster on here.

Thanks JB! I hope all is well with you. :)

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Originally Posted by Dharma (Post 2288501)

I agree that this probably happens. What I don't like is the refusal to discuss and debate afterwards. To me, it's like saying, "I know it all and talking to the other side won't change my mind." That's not right.

You don't think this went on with DALPA in the past? The only difference is that the "Dirty Dozen" had the integrity to do it in public, knowing full well there would be blowback.

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Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2288998)

Almost forgot. How could the company not make us fly 9:45. PWA says FAR limits does it not? Guess what becomes a new FAR for us if they got that exemption? Just goes to show all you care about is $$.

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The Company’s unilateral action did not comply with the PWA, which requires the Company to notify and involve ALPA through the Fatigue Risk Management Team (FRMT). By requesting an exemption to Table A of FAR Part 117 without informing the FRMT, the Company failed to follow both PWA Section 24 V. and the cooperative spirit and intent of the FRMT process.

I contacted Delta senior management to inform them of their violation of our PWA and our opposition to any increase in daily block hour flying limits. Consequently, we insisted the Company withdraw its petition. Management acknowledged it did not provide ALPA the appropriate notice per the PWA and agreed to withdraw the petition in its entirety.

This is how your union works. I would like to thank the line pilots who brought this violation to our attention and our MEC administration for their immediate action. When elected as your chairman, I committed to negotiating and defending our contract as one of my core goals. Your union responded swiftly and acted decisively to rectify the situation.

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Unfortunately and inadvertently, Delta’s filing occurred without advance notice to ALPA. This filing would have been just the first step in a lengthy FAA review process to determine the feasibility of limited block time extensions. The Fatigue Risk Management Team, comprised of both Company and ALPA members, would have overseen and approved the data collection process prior to its implementation. We have withdrawn the petition so that we can ensure full coordination under Section 24 V. of the PWA.

Stating the Company could have unilaterally imposed 9:45 without regard to union input or the PWA is nonsense and an alternative fact.

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Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2288921)

And your approach is no noise, no pride and results that only slightly help your checking account but nothing else.

Bingo! That's how we do things at DAL.... Stop rocking the boat....the money might fall out...

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2289069)

This is what I'm talking about folks. NWA bravado at its best. Wants to be militant while having little to no knowledge of what he's talking about. If you're skeptical that the sky isn't blue at least look outside. Reference the following from Captain Malone:

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Stating the Company could have unilaterally imposed 9:45 without regard to union input or the PWA is nonsense and an alternative fact.

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Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2288950)

Stated reasons? The TA vote was not included in the resolution; the MEC chairman vote was. There were also additional "reasons" cited that boil down to "not doing the job." (No evidence of that point presented, simply a statement in the resolution.)

That's too bad. Recalls without a "cause" that can be documented and passes the smell test are dumb.

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Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2288950)

Real reasons? Doesn't take much reading between the lines: get the guys who aren't falling in line out ASAP, then once the "old guard" (not my phrase, but pretty accurate) is back in majority, remove BB & put their own guy in.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that the "new guard" are more enlightened than the "old guard"? Drawing lines and choosing sides sounds righteous, but it's just politics. Each faction needs to make their case for their vision, and provide a logical strategy for achieving it. The pilot group isn't stupid. Calling for pilots to rally around Bartels because he's NOT someone else is as dumb as saying we should rally around Moak/O'Malley/Roberts/Donatelli/Malone because they aren't someone else. This isn't 2007, with its existential threats. It's 2017, with a new set of threats and priorities.

Bartels deserves a fair shot because he won the election. He deserves to be judged on his results because he knows that's part of the deal. Same goes for our LEC reps. If they screw the pooch, they know they're accountable to us.

Circling back to the C44 recall effort, it doesn't appear to be based upon any specific malfeasance or behavior. That's bad.

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Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2288950)

As another poster has said: Pathetic. And, to quote a speaker at the meeting: "The company is laughing at us."

I disagree. The company is not a democratic organization. We don't vote on hats, D-0, fleet plans, or fuel hedges. We wear our collective heart on our sleeve, with our warts and scars visible to all. It's in the company's interest to know our vector.

With LEC elections held every year, and the most-recent MEC election being determined by 1 vote, any alleged "laughter" is probably based more on uncertainty than preference.

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2289069)

This is what I'm talking about folks. NWA bravado at its best. Wants to be militant while having little to no knowledge of what he's talking about. If you're skeptical that the sky isn't....

This must be bait. But, I'll bite anyway.

What's NWA bravado? And how does it get to be at its best?

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Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2289176)

That's too bad. Recalls without a "cause" that can be documented and passes the smell test are dumb.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that the "new guard" are more enlightened than the "old guard"?

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Circling back to the C44 recall effort, it doesn't appear to be based upon any specific malfeasance or behavior. That's bad.

Not saying that at all re "new guard" vs "old guard." You've answered the question with the first & last statements I quoted.

While I suppose it's obvious which side I'm on, I told Jimmy directly at the meeting that even if I thought he (& Chris) was the worst rep ever, I would still vote against the recall because it's an improper exercise of a very important membership check on reps. That opinion was solidified with recall motions utterly lacking in substance.

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Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2289233)

Not saying that at all re "new guard" vs "old guard."

Got it. Somehow I read that thought into your post. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2289233)

While I suppose it's obvious which side I'm on, I told Jimmy directly at the meeting that even if I thought he (& Chris) was the worst rep ever, I would still vote against the recall because it's an improper exercise of a very important membership check on reps. That opinion was solidified with recall motions utterly lacking in substance.

I agree with you. You were there, and if you didn't hear anything approaching abuse of office, it's a dumb move to recall them.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2289218)

This must be bait. But, I'll bite anyway.

What's NWA bravado? And how does it get to be at its best?

He doesn't know. He's young/impressionable and wait for it.... from ATL.