to answer your question...he was hired less than 3 years ago.

all the people i converse with on a normal basis in C44 say the FO reps are the best they have ever seen and voted against the recall.

That last sentence doesn't jibe with the reality. If the FO reps are gone, the old guard and TA1 lovers return. Are you sure you know what's really going on here? I don't mean that in a negative way.

Not very good. Track record of the current Capt Reps....excellent

Why would we be going back to the old gang? Almost all are Captains. C44 currently has 2 solid, well respected Capt Reps that are not remotely old guard. Even gzsg endorsed them. I'll gladly take two more moderates like then as FO reps.

Thanks, same can be said right back at you. It was a pleasure although it was a quick trip.

Where are these "old guard" FOs coming from? Even they exist how will they win an election when you have two Moderate Captain reps with what appears to be very high approval rating in C44?

By what means are you measuring their "high approval ratings".

his own...

The recalls after TA1 were a mistake. TA2 was a result of United's and other's increased payrates and the fact that TA1 was voted down 65-35. By default, the only way TA2 could go was higher. TA2 was achieved in spite of the new LEC reps, not because of them. Malone and the NC were the primary architects of TA2. An NC selected by the original reps from TA1.

Some people thought it a good idea to recall a rep because they went against the will of the membership in a 65-35 vote against a TA. These same people now think it's wrong to recall a rep because they went against the will of the membership in a 82-18 vote for a TA.

Hypocrites.

But, despite my misgivings of the 44 FO reps I think the second recall is a mistake too. It seems petty. And if they survive the vote they will be that much stronger. That won't help those looking for moderate replacements when the time comes to negotiate the next TA.

But the dye is cast.

Nope. When reps shout down and full on insult the members they are supposed to represent in an attempt to sell an unprecedented failure of a TA, that is the time for a recall.

This recall is a farce and nothing but a power grab... the recalls post the failed TA were appropriate. You don't mess up to that level without being brought to task. I won't be voting for JJ if he runs again due to his bumblings, but a recall is completely inappropriate here.

ER,

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The round of recalls from 2015 went down because the reps we had were in an untenable position. Much from their own doing.

1.) The way they rolled out TA15 was piece meal, misleading, secretive, and deceptive. (By the way, Malone's Administration did the exact opposite. My hat's off to them.)

2.) By the end of the voting period, we had gotten to the point when the "old guard" was in a position where they were threatening to sue member's (some of them on here) for liable and slander.


Personally, I can give you a number of reasons why I felt betrayed as to how they rolled that piece of crap out. Starting with a 25 minute discussion I had with a PTP rep in JFK ops and finishing with the braggadocios claim that they got us 3:30 vacation pay only having to find out much later that it was pay but no credit.


The bottom line is, the 2015 crew deserved to be recalled, because they had lost the trust of the pilot group.

I haven't heard any other reason why these ATL FO reps are up for recall, besides the fact that they voted for the "wrong guy" for MEC Chairman.

Trip,


What percentage of ATL pilots do you believe supported Malone for MEC Chairman?