Which reps shouted down and insulted their members? I know MD got a little loud but he was not a rep. Besides, he resigned. Did every rep who was recalled shout down and insult their members or are you taking what one rep did and projecting onto every rep you disagreed with at the time?

I do agree that if a rep acted like this they should be recalled. But a wave of recalls because they all acted as you said? You thought recalls were appropriate because you didn't like TA1.

If one didn't like the TA the appropriate response was a No vote. Not numerous recalls. 38% voted No to C2012 and there were no recalls for that.

But the recall Pandora's box was opened with the Kingsley R. recall. The sweeping TA1 recalls served to make recalls normal every time someone doesn't like something. Also a mistake IMO.

And here we are.

Regarding the appropriateness of recalls for TA1 v now.

The reps in TA1 cost us real, no kidding money. This time, not only did they not cost us money, they're the ones who helped put it in our pockets (along with JM).

If loyalty to one man is enough to justify these recalls, a special election that will open the door for the recall of the new MEC Chair, the new Vice Chair, the new Secretary and the new Treasurer followed immediately by a contentious election for new MEC officers with a completely dysfunctional MEC, and another round of elections in C44 to replace the interim reps (or confirm them), then So Be It.

Pay attention folks. This is exactly the plan.

Unlike the recalls for TA1, no good will one of this recall effort for the bulk of 13,000 pilots - only a few who are going through FPL withdrawals will benefit.

Oh, the MEC wants you to wear your ALPA pin.

You know, unity and all.

Overwhelming majority. 70%+

What Johnson and Kern did to 44 with their MEC executive votes is akin to walking right into the heart of Ohio State's campus and planting a Michigan flag.

Kern nominated someone moderate for a MEC position then voted for a strong 12er. Is is normal to not vote for someone you nominated?

Ok. What next? What's the plan? You dump these guys to what end? Just punishment? The "damage" is done. Recalling these two does not negate the election.

Go ahead. Tell us the real plan. Recall these two. Elect interim proactive appeasers at a poorly attended C44 meeting, then recall the new MEC Chair and the other three. Then hold an election to put in who, exactly, as the new Chair?? And he'll have a margin of one as his mandate. The MEC will devolve even further. And this benefits the Delta pilots how?

Please, someone explain how this recall benefits the Atlanta and Delta pilots.

Please.

The plan is to nominate 2 moderate and reasonable FO reps that will vote according to the will of 44 like the CA reps do(So goes 44, so goes the MEC). The Council needs to be well represented now that the new regime is in power. Especially if they are attempting to make big changes to MEC policy as outlined in Captain Worrall's communique.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....I want some of whatever you are smoking to get to this fantasy world you are in.

I'm curious why we need FO reps at all (using your logic).

Please do share with us Captain Worrall's communique. I know not of what you speak. I can guess though.

Holy cow. We are turning the clock back 10 years.

You might need something to get over your chronic grumpiness:D. Just worry about your Council and you'll be alright.

You really believe Capt Worralls crap? He's the SLC version of Curly.

I am a fan of Malone and think he would be a better MEC chair. That said, this recall effort is a joke. Kern and Johnson have every right to vote for the person they think best to run the union. I'm getting tired of this BS where there is a recall effort every time someone gets their panties in a wad. A recall should be saved for something fraudulent or criminal. Otherwise, if you don't like how they represent you vote them out in the next election.

I voted against recall, even though I'm sure I would not vote for them if they ran again in the next election.