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Karnak 01-26-2017 08:01 AM

Can anybody who was there shed some light on the discussion? Was the recall based upon the TA vote? The MEC chairman vote?

Both of those would be seriously stupid reasons to recall a rep. Recalls should only be based on misconduct or failure to do the job. Was there any of that mentioned?

Trip7 01-26-2017 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2288618)
So you want a MEC that management walks all over just to net you more $$$? We all know that's all you care about. Don't forget a line pilot saved us from the "inadvertently" filed 9:45 exemption. Malone and crew had no idea they were being played. Would BB have caught it? Who knows but it's obvious things have changed and we need someone who will stand up.

You think Malone's Admin gets "walked over"? You must not know how things work. The company could not force 9:45 on the pilots even if the filing wasn't caught.

Your last "stand up" statement speaks volumes of the militant approach. All noise, all pride, no results.

newKnow 01-26-2017 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2288502)
It has the potential to be significantly different. Gains like 5:15 ADG can be made mid cycle. Capt Malone's Admin brings a firm but reasonable approach to engaging management that has a proven track record of success. Captain Bartel's admin has a track track record of being very militant and adversial. History has proven over and over that the militant approach yields little to no results.

Big decisions like virtual bases are on the horizon. Will Kern and Johnson listen to the will of 44 or follow their own mantra?


So, you really don't think that BB can secure gains like 5:15 ADG when and IF the opportunities present themselves? Ok. That's a big assumption with no real proof that that's the case.

It also assumes that big opportunities like that will present themselves within the next two years. I was just wondering if there there anything specific that you see that will definitely need to be addressed. Is there?

Who knows what will happen? Maybe having BB as Chair will be beneficial to us. Maybe, the reputation you have painted of him will serve as a deterrent to the company against them being too aggressive in implementing virtual bases and the FRB?

Like I said, who knows? So far, you guys aren't providing any concrete instances of future doom and gloom, or missed opportunities, for us to be wary of. Maybe we should wait to see what happens, before we assume the worst.

Finally, I don't mean to nit pick, but it's, "Capt Malone's Admin brought a firm but reasonable approach to engaging management that has a proven track record of success.

I am appreciative of the work Captain Malone did as our past MEC Chairman. I think he did a great job. He should be proud of the TA he brought us and the fact that it was voted in by the largest margin in Delta history. I voted for it.

Let's see what Bartells "brings" during his term. If he does a bad job, maybe Malone can run again and you guys can say "I told you so."

What you are doing now, comes off as overly political and smells like sour grapes. I believe, recalling reps because of one vote weakens our union.

The DPA crowd is happy, because you guys are bringing them back from oblivion.

JamesBond 01-26-2017 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Wuzatforus (Post 2288387)
So, every important vote made by a rep in which you disagree with should trigger a recall?

We're gonna be recall machines.

And I'll bet the vast majority of the bell curve isn't remotely interested in any of this.

JamesBond 01-26-2017 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2288405)
Bar,

Take note of a couple of things:

1.) I am not trying to get a list together for anything.

2.) My friends aren't trying to get a list together.

3.) I didn't ask you how you voted.

4.) I don't care how you voted.

5.) I asked Sailing how he voted.

6.) I quoted two of Sailings (not yours) posts to allude to why I was asking HIM if he voted for the previous recalls.

7.) Take note that I asked Sailing if he voted for recall last year (and try to figure out how I would be looking to intimidate someone a year after the fact.)

8.) Return to points 3 & 4 and read them over and over.


Thanks, in advance.

P.S. - For you to suggest that I would do anything to cause intimidation or retribution against ANYONE, is indicative of how ignorant you are as to the type of person I am.

We've never met. But, you might want to ask around.

I'll vouch for ya NewK. You are probably THE most apolitical poster on here.

Peoloto 01-26-2017 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2288646)
You think Malone's Admin gets "walked over"? You must not know how things work. The company could not force 9:45 on the pilots even if the filing wasn't caught.

Your last "stand up" statement speaks volumes of the militant approach. All noise, all pride, no results.

And your approach is no noise, no pride and results that only slightly help your checking account but nothing else.

Wuzatforus 01-26-2017 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Peoloto (Post 2288921)
And your approach is no noise, no pride and results that only slightly help your checking account but nothing else.

Bingo. .

Jughead135 01-26-2017 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2288644)
Can anybody who was there shed some light on the discussion? Was the recall based upon the TA vote? The MEC chairman vote?

Both of those would be seriously stupid reasons to recall a rep. Recalls should only be based on misconduct or failure to do the job. Was there any of that mentioned?

Stated reasons? The TA vote was not included in the resolution; the MEC chairman vote was. There were also additional "reasons" cited that boil down to "not doing the job." (No evidence of that point presented, simply a statement in the resolution.)

Real reasons? Doesn't take much reading between the lines: get the guys who aren't falling in line out ASAP, then once the "old guard" (not my phrase, but pretty accurate) is back in majority, remove BB & put their own guy in.

As another poster has said: Pathetic. And, to quote a speaker at the meeting: "The company is laughing at us."

Wuzatforus 01-26-2017 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 2288950)
Stated reasons? The TA vote was not included in the resolution; the MEC chairman vote was. There were also additional "reasons" cited that boil down to "not doing the job." (No evidence of that point presented, simply a statement in the resolution.)

Real reasons? Doesn't take much reading between the lines: get the guys who aren't falling in line out ASAP, then once the "old guard" (not my phrase, but pretty accurate) is back in majority, remove BB & put their own guy in.

As another poster has said: Pathetic. And, to quote a speaker at the meeting: "The company is laughing at us."

Your last sentence is the most important one. No good could possibly come from this for the pilot group. But, that's not the point, is it?

Peoloto 01-26-2017 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2288646)
You think Malone's Admin gets "walked over"? You must not know how things work. The company could not force 9:45 on the pilots even if the filing wasn't caught.

Your last "stand up" statement speaks volumes of the militant approach. All noise, all pride, no results.

Almost forgot. How could the company not make us fly 9:45. PWA says FAR limits does it not? Guess what becomes a new FAR for us if they got that exemption? Just goes to show all you care about is $$.


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