A typical line pilot should care about critical events like this that can impact a career. I would have much preferred Capt Malone than Capt Bartels.

The main difference between Bartels and Malone can be seen when you list their accomplishments next to each other.

 

So, every important vote made by a rep in which you disagree with should trigger a recall?

We're gonna be recall machines.

 

Jimmy and Chris have taken a lot of votes and there's been no discussion of recall for any of those.

What is disturbing to me is that as part of the "12" they refused to discuss and debate. I don't mind the difference of opinion, but when you just come back with a cram down and are unwilling to interact, it leads me to believe they are not open to new ideas or the possibility of improvement or modifications that might make a better product.

Did they not interact for their own reasons, or is someone else doing their thinking for them? They never clearly explained why.

 

Bar,

Take note of a couple of things:

1.) I am not trying to get a list together for anything.

2.) My friends aren't trying to get a list together.

3.) I didn't ask you how you voted.

4.) I don't care how you voted.

5.) I asked Sailing how he voted.

6.) I quoted two of Sailings (not yours) posts to allude to why I was asking HIM if he voted for the previous recalls.

7.) Take note that I asked Sailing if he voted for recall last year (and try to figure out how I would be looking to intimidate someone a year after the fact.)

8.) Return to points 3 & 4 and read them over and over.


Thanks, in advance.

P.S. - For you to suggest that I would do anything to cause intimidation or retribution against ANYONE, is indicative of how ignorant you are as to the type of person I am.

We've never met. But, you might want to ask around.

 

That's not really what I asked, Trip. Going forward, how would Bartells' and Malone have been different?

Why would a typical line guy say, "Damn! We had better recall they guys who voted for Bartell. They really screwed me over."


Can you name something specific on the horizon?

 

My NewKnow speaks for me.

 

I think we will learn soon enough what a typical line pilot cares about in C44. I think we will see whether they want an LEC that works together or not.

 

Perhaps Buzz or Ryan should have been recalled a long time ago via your logic.

I don't really think either one is worthy of recall, but I'm not in C44. The people that brought on and sold hard the pitiful failure that was TA2015 were worthy of recall. Bring on a failure like that, and it is certainly worthy of recall. This is just deposed people wanting revenge. (Sorry, RonRicco- gotta differ with you here!)

JJ did make a dummy move with his "yes" then "wait, no" vote. Worthy of a recall? I think it was an idiot move but it wasn't damaging in any way. He should not run again, and if he does he should not be elected.

The fools that got recalled and deposed after the failed TA2015 were all worthy. That was freaking pathetic.

 

The case of many proven in your point.
Do you not realize that there are different opinions out there? Do you think everything should be unanimous, which would essentially make it unilateral?

80 Johnson is right about NewK Johnson's being right.

 

This whole "12" incident cracks me up. My exposure to ALPA MEC actions is that "secret" meetings are held all the time as one side or group tries to form their own consensus to bring along others or, in this case, just get to a majority position and keep things moving. Nothing productive happens around the horseshoe very often as you wait your turn on the speakers list and sometimes witness rambling streams of (un)consciousness with some reps debating themselves.

It's fine when the C108 chair has his little "caucuses", but when he's excluded, watch out!