clueless

The bridge agreement amendment is completely separate from the TA. If I am understanding this correctly, (and I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong) the bridge agreement isn't getting voted on like the TA...it is just happening.

172skychicken

Did some quick back of the napkin calculations on how this would affect different portions of our pilot group. I attempted to quantify gains in 401k, sick time, and per diem against the ~2.1k cut from hard pay for people here 12 years or less. The >20 year and 11-20 year group were calculated using 900 CA rates. The 6-10 year group was calculated using 200 CA rates, and the 0-5 year group was calculated using the 200 CA and FO rate. The rates used were from the earliest longevity bracket in each group. Year 1, year 6, and year 11 in the 0-5, 6-10, and 11-20 groups respectively. All calculations were made at min guarantee (75 hours). Sick time gains are simply the hourly rate multiplied by the additional 12 hours accrued each year. Per diem calculation was made assuming (an optimistic) 3 4 day trips flown per month. (About 240 hours per month TAFB).

401k:
>20: +9.7k
11-20: +4k
6-10: +1.7k
0-5 CA: +.7k
0-5 FO: + .6k

Sick:
>20: +1.5k
11-20: +1.3k
6-10: +1.1k
0-5 CA: +1.0k
0-5 FO: +.6k

Per Diem:
+.3k

Total:
>20: +11.5k
11-20: +5.6k
6-10: +3.1k
0-5 CA: +2.0k
0-5 FO: +1.5k

Net:
>20: +11.5k (Actually higher due to longer longevity scale)
11-20: +3.5k (Will be higher if longevity greater than 12 years)
6-10: +1.0k
0-5 CA: -.1k
0-5 FO: -.6k (Net gain for 5+ year FOs due to increase in FO longevity scale)

So the one pilot on property last year who managed to credit 900 hours (min guarantee) would be looking at a steep 600 dollar pay cut in the worst case scenario. Anyone that has been on the property longer than 5 years is looking at a net gain whether they are flying or not. A first year FO would have to credit 76 hours a month to break even on the TA. It of course needs to be noted that per diem, and 401 gains in particular, increase dramatically as credit increases over the baseline here. Characterizing the TA as a major cut for any pilot on property is disingenuous at best.

Bartok

Thanks man!

Good work

msprj2

Partly correct I believe. We’re not voting on bridge agreement
However without TA passing bridge agreement is nullified.
Otherwise we would ask for the moon and the stars.

Rayeli

Here’s one of the biggest reasons I’m leaning yes:
There’s been talk in Congress of repealing the 1500 hour rule. Personally I don’t think it will happen but what if it does? Then every regional will for a year or two no longer have any trouble hiring...and our bonuses expire at the end of next year. Will Delta have any reason to extend the bonuses if we don’t have trouble hiring?

Urbandrone

I believe it is contingent upon us agreeing to a new 7 years contract that has been proposed.

flyingfiddler

I will put in that I never managed to get more than 60 hours a month my first 14 months here without picking up, despite bidding for as much time as PBS would give me.

172skychicken

So you don't use vacation or complete any LMS modules? You don't need to fly 76 hours to credit 76 hours. It is extraordinarily hard to credit min guarantee the whole year. Virtually impossible without dropping.

Boats and Hos

18 month lock on essentially the same airplane type? Where do the 700s fit in? Would that not hurt some and when does the lock start for people on property?

Covering JFK AND LGA. Finishing in one place and then having to get to the other not on on Reserve but will lines be built that way? Is transportation covered in this case? You park your car one place but then have to get to the other. NYC is the only base that has this multi airport issues and no extra pay? NYC is expensive. Parking at both now?

No better Delta pass bennies?

No additional uniform coverage?

No flow! Three AA W/Os do so what does will that mean for recruitment/retention?

I am asking as of course I have not seen the TA just curious?

What does this mean for new hires this year going into Jan 2018? Bonuses stop after Dec 31st 2017? So the 10,000 but maybe the 20,000 but not the 23,000?

Thank you.

Punkah Louvre

Read the TA.

If you are considering going 9E, rest assured this TA gives us the best pay in the industry, and compelling benefits.

I live in NYC and, though nothing is perfect, the TA is fair, and NYC work rules are similar to Deltas. I'm not sure how Long Call will play out, but the efficiencies in having a single base will help Short & Ready too.
Parking in both bases. Trips begin & end at the same field. PBS option to prefer one over the other..