Ta 2017 - Page 22 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

#211

Bornflying , 10-05-2017 09:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFlight

Didn't mention vesting, only contributions. Think that means vesting hasn't changed at all.

I changed it. Can your bonus currently contribute the % to 401k?

#212

HighFlight , 10-05-2017 09:35 AM

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Nope... Bonus not in 401k.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bornflying

I changed it. Can your bonus currently contribute the % to 401k?

#213

30000ft , 10-05-2017 09:35 AM

New Hire

flow is definitely huge

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Originally Posted by bigtime209

As others have stated, flow isn't a big a recruiting tool as you guys think it is. When our pay rates at the AA WOs were behind everyone else, it was a recruiting nightmare. Prior to the big bonuses at Envoy, we were running classes of less than 10/month. Now with the big bonuses and quick upgrade, we had 105 in class for September. Yes, flow definitely doesn't hurt, but guys wanna see the money more than anything. Word at the schoolhouse is that our new hires are drooling over your proposed rates and many have said they would've gone there if that kind of money was on the table.

All the Cfi's in my ex school from Los Angeles are going to envoy and dont care about the commute.. when I was applying at 9E, 2 n half yrs ago, i definitely wanted envoy even pay was way low, but they weren't hiring.. so blv it or not, FLOW IS HUGE

#214

Bornflying , 10-05-2017 09:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFlight

Nope... Bonus not in 401k.

Thanks, fixed (again). Made a little bit of difference.

Current vs. proposed pay spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

https://imgur.com/gallery/V7oCd

#215

msprj2 , 10-05-2017 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 30000ft

Skywest has neither flow or top pay but they still can hire 60/month. Explain that

#216

172skychicken , 10-05-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 172skychicken

It of course needs to be noted that per diem, and 401 gains in particular, increase dramatically as credit increases over the baseline here. Characterizing the TA as a major cut for any pilot on property is disingenuous at best.

Did some more to cover a wider spectrum of our pilot group.

90 hours:
>20: +12k
11-20: +3k
6-10: +2.7k
0-5 CA: +2.6k
0-5 FO: +2.3k

401k:
>20: +11.7k
11-20: +4.1k
6-10: +2.0k
0-5 CA: +.8k
0-5 FO: +.7k

Sick
>20: 1.5k
10–20: 1.3k
6–10: 1.1k
0-5 CA: 1k
0–5 FO: .6k

Per Diem
.3k

Net:
>20: +25.5k
11-20: +8.7k
6-10: +6.1k
0-5 CA: +4.7k
0-5 FO: +3.9k

100 hours:
>20: +15k
11-20: +5.7k
6-10: +5.5k
0-5 CA: +5.4k
0-5 FO: +5.1k

401k:
>20: +13k
11-20: +5.4k
6-10: +2.2k
0-5 CA: +.8k
0-5 FO: +.8k

Sick
>20: 1.5k
10–20: 1.3k
6–10: 1.1k
0-5 CA: 1k
0–5 FO: .6k

Per Diem
.3k

Net:
>20: +29.8k
11-20: +12.7k
6-10: +9.1k
0-5 CA: +7.5k
0-5 FO: +6.8k

I didn't change the baseline assumption for the amount of per diem accrued each month simply because there are ways to accrue credit that don't involve large increases in per diem. Also keep in mind that these are gains over the current contract crediting the same number of hours, not against min guarantee.

#217

PleaseComplete , 10-05-2017 10:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by msprj2

Skywest has neither flow or top pay but they still can hire 60/month. Explain that

Kool Aid ?

#218

JTwift , 10-05-2017 11:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by msprj2

Skywest has neither flow or top pay but they still can hire 60/month. Explain that

They have west coast bases?

#219

KSCessnaDriver , 10-05-2017 11:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gojo

Funny thing is if you go to the Skywest thread they are talking about possible 900's. I wonder if they already have a plan if this TA is voted down?

Those 900's they're talking about are, likely a PHX 900 AA base, replacing the original, launch customer ordered, Mesa CR9s

#220

wmichflyer , 10-05-2017 11:27 AM

Line Holder

This TA is a lot better than what we have right now. I'm a yes vote to lock it in. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. Despite that, we need to keep pushing for more.

For a different perspective, if we raise the bar, other airlines will too. Once they do, that helps our position.