Bartok

Lol

I'm wondering why all you flow guys are at 9E at all.

Plenty of flow regionals hiring.

teddy3412

I find it funny that the people at those flow regionals are trying to tell us that isn't as great as it seems and they are ignored lol.

Ray Red

We are living in a totally different era as far as contracts and negotiations from what we've seen in the past. If you've been in the airline world for a few years you no doubt remember companies dragging out negotiations for 4, 5, 6 years or longer past the amendable date because they were under no pressure to make a deal. There were always pilots waiting to take jobs for $20,000/yr and we all knew it. The airline didn't need a new contract for pilots because they could operate under the old one for years with no pay raises or qol improvements thanks the the RLA.

In today's environment, regional airlines are coming to the pilots before a contract is even amendable and offering more money and better work rules. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They are doing it because they have to in order to keep the airline alive.

For once pilots have a huge amount of leverage at the bargaining table. Don't throw the opportunity away. The company knows that when the bonus expires, zero new hires will show up and they can't have that.

Unless you are being acquired by Southwest, there is always more money the second time around.

Urbandrone

They didn't have a flow when you hired in. They didn't promise you a flow. They probably told you a flow wouldn't happen. It reminds me of those spouses who went to the alter with the thought "I can change them"... they will never change, and you will not get a flow with Delta.

Bartok

Delta doesn't play leverage.

And I'm not saying it out of fear, I actually like the TA, I'm saying it out of reality.

I wonder how Delta would react if we voted it down.

I'm guessing they would teach us another lesson in big business negotiations like they did in bankruptcy.

This is a good deal and everyone in the industry will be forced to follow.

Then delta will up the ante on their terms.

Blueskies21

I find your argument confusing... you say airlines aren't waiting for the amendable dates, they're coming back to the table early but then conclude that we SHOULDN'T take this deal because we can get more now.

By your first point, shouldn't we take the deal and expect them to be back at the table before 7 years?

Also I'd like emphasize once more, every time guys say.... "We could have gotten more" it's seriously insulting to our negotiating committee members. I have NO doubt that they've worked hard over the last year and a half to get what we've got. That's a pretty thankless job, they get bought off some but they're also doing union work on days off, during time at home. Time at home that non volunteers are spending doing whatever else they enjoy.

If you really think you can do better, start volunteering. Not willing to do the work and put in the time? Trust that they guys that do are doing their absolute best for you.

(Not a negotiating committee member btw)

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wmichflyer

Yup. Voting this in provides some protection that things won't get worse than what's in the contract. Yes, I know a bankruptcy or shutting us down could happen, but that's unlikely. Other airlines will up their game, then we will too. Just think, two years ago, first year pay was $42,500, now it's $60,000. Not long prior to that, starting pay was in the 20s. We have new hires making more than some captains just a couple years ago. Market forces are stronger than any pilot group or company. As long as the market for us keeps going well, our contract will get better and better. If there's a downturn, at least this TA provides more safeguards than what we currently have. Remember, there's nothing in this TA preventings things from getting better.

BeechPilot33

Except it's almost a decade in length. Why not a 5 year deal. Should be easy to fix. It's a pilot market, there aren't a couple thousand extra pilots standing around waiting for a job. If you want a pilot you have to pay the piper. They just paid how many thousands to retain pilots they aren't going to file bankruptcy just to hire over. We should get back pay for the decades of getting 20 bucks an hour.

Bartok

Isn't 7 closer to 5 than 10?

Edit:

I wrote 7 because everyone keeps saying 7 but the new contract is from jan18 to jan24 and that is only 6 years.

Hardly a decade.

brettj72

It is a 4 year extension on our current contract. Not a decade...

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