Or for 9E to get too expensive (out-pricing themselves), new hires seeing the reality that a job at Delta is not guaranteed, or if the pilot group/company does anything that Delta frowns upon. Comair wasn’t all about the economy, but also that they stood up to Delta’s bullying tactics. Comair, a wholly owned regional R.I.P.

 

New hires already know the reality that the DGI is not a guaranteed job at Delta. It's a perk, but by no means a primary one.

Also, the new 9E CEO used to run DCI. For better or for worse, the company won't be stepping out of line anytime soon.

 

That would be of minimal concern if Skywest pilots would just step up to the plate and decide to get paid what they’re worth. There isn’t any excuse to have this much disparity between Skywest and everyone else. Especially in this market.

 

It is a sad day indeed when Mesa pays more than SKW.

 

Comair did a lot of things that led them to being shut down. They made enemies of not just the company but also mainline pilots by not only demanding unreasonable terms for an integration (yes, Comair is the reason regionals even exist today) but requiring mainline pilots resign their seniority numbers when Delta was furloughing if they were going to go to Comair.


Never mind that times are completely different now than they were then, but you are free to have your fantasies.

 

That's quite an optimistic timeline you have there.

I'll also note that the pay disparity is even greater than the rates allude to due to the massive soft time differences between 9E and OO.

 

Can you give some examples on this? Genuinely curious how much better the soft pay is at 9E. Thanks in advance!

Bf

 

I'm not at 9E anymore so some of this has changed (for the better), but a big one is how trips are paid.

First, a trip has a 4 hour daily minimum. So if you only fly 1 hour on that day, you still get paid for 4. Logically, a 4 day has to be worth at least 16 hours (although they are worth more than that).

This is as opposed to a trip minimum. Say you fly 7 hours on day one, 1 hour on day two, and 6 hours on day 3 for a trip. That 3 day is worth 17 hours. I don't know if OO has anything like that.

Cancellation pay is 100% leg by leg. Legs are also paid by better of average value (the historical average of the flight) or what you actually fly. My understanding is OO flies the first 15 minutes over for free.



Vacation pay is also based on what you actually fly. So a pilot flying a 900 gets paid 900 pay during vacation (and training), as opposed to OO where all pilots take vacation and training at 200 pay.

 

OO minimum daily guarantee = 4:12 (4.2 Hours)
Trip rig of 4:1, which means you take the entire time away from base and divide by 4, and if the number is more than the credit value of the trip, you get paid the bigger number.
100% cancellation leg by leg
OO doesn’t fly the first 15 minutes over for free. It’s the historical credit or better, same as Endeavor.
Vacation pay for the CRJ is paid at 200 rate, and vacation pay for the E175 pilots is at the E175 rates.

Overtime pay at OO only goes up to 150% and starts at 100%, unlike Endeavor which starts at 150% goes up to 200%. Endeavor pay rates are obviously much higher.

Minimum days off is the same.

 

I'm told the daily guarantee at EDV is actually per duty period, not calendar day. Is it the same with OO?